Bitmap Frogs said: Loud_Hot_White_Box said: Bitmap Frogs said: Loud_Hot_White_Box said: When Ubi Makes a sale in US dollars, they receive only .75 Euros, if the Euro is their base currency. If the dollar were their base currency, a sale in Euros would net them 1.32 dollars per Euro. Go ahead now, how is this anti-PS3 Bitmap?     You almost got it! Don't worry, next time will be it. Now, here's more food for thought: which console brings more of each, dollars and euros? If you get past that one, consider this: if you were calling shots at Ubi, would you bet the fate of your company on currency values? Ah, almost forgot... for most of FY 2008, Ubi only got around .6€ per 1$. In a nutshell, going back to your first post: what you are seeing is an artifact due to currency values. Not a solid ground from which to speculate on Ubi's future decisions.   Finally you've given some indication of what you were referring to when you were talking about different currencies: that in 08 the rate was an anomaly.  Ok, checking historical charts it seems that's likely to hold true.  However, I think where you err is to think that if the rate is more dollar-favorable going forward than it was in 08, Ubi execs would be "betting the fate of the company" by choosing to make multiplat games (bringing them to PS3, which I contended the data indicated they would probably do going forward).  Even if in 09 360 generates more revenue for Ubi due to exchange rates, the fact that PS3 was quite competitive in 08 (actually just came out on top) is heartening for the prospect of PS3 support.  That's what I was saying: that the data supported the notion of PS3 support. I agree the 08 results (PS3 win) are an artifact of currency values.  I don't agree that the results, which are strong for PS3 especially considering its lower WW install base, don't support the notion that PS3 will likely get strong support going forward. Btw, the reason I 'got it' with the last post is because you explicated your contention sufficiently only with your last post.  Contrast this with my consistently clearer statements of my contention, and query why you still misconstrued what I was saying several times.   I had to explain the whole shebang since it appears you are unaware about such basic facts =/  But hey, it was fun teasing you about it. The ps3 will get the same support it got last year, but it has nothing to do with the "contaminated" raw revenue numbers and more about tools and engines already in place which means porting costs are lower and the userbase while relatively small, is big enough to justify the porting efforts. This is not news however, it's been true for most of 08. You should also stop using the term "moneyhat" pejoratively when talking about Microsoft's Xbox strategy. It's a tool Sony extensively used in the past and up to a certain extent it still employs. Before Sony had built a solid first-party team of studios, they moneyhatted what they thought would be relevant IP's. So you either make a thread ranting about Sony moneyhatting or stop complaining about it altogether.  You can't demonize what Microsoft is doing while Sony did the same without looking like the standard biased gamefaqs fanboy. The fact you use your username and avatar to troll doesn't help, as well.

Referring to mere currency differences isn't the same as referring to the change in exchange rate over time, which is what you needed to mention.  You failed to communicate correctly; you referred to a comparison that had no bearing on the discussion, and thus you were wrong.  You got it on about your third attempt, though.

I'm glad you think things other than strong PS3 sales indicate that PS3 will have strong support going forward; sales also contribute, and I say you're wrong to deny that.  If PS3 games weren't selling as well, Ubi would feel more free to go exclusive with more games.  Thus, this sales report is good for PS3.  Oh noes!  Bitmap Frogs says that's propaganda!!

I referred to moneyhatting as an exception to my statement that Ubi releases would probably be multiplat b/c the PS3 versions were selling well.  If Ubi receives money/extra incentive, then of course an exclusive is more likely.  It's perfectly true and it's common sense. 

It's good that you brought that up again in this last post, along with your annoyances about my username and avatar again.  Hell yeah, I picked those when I went from lurker to poster, prompted by everything starcraft was saying on these message boards.  I was pissed at his FUD, which back then was way worse than it is now. 

Anyway, anyone reading our exchange would see that you abandon multiple lines of the argument each exchange, pick one to maintain, then I argue on that point, maybe to have you abandon parts of that as well.  What if we went back and dredged up all the points you've abandoned?

Good showing, man.

Loud_Hot_White_Box said: Referring to mere currency differences isn't the same as referring to the change in exchange rate over time, which is what you needed to mention.  You failed to communicate correctly; you referred to a comparison that had no bearing on the discussion, and thus you were wrong.  You got it on about your third attempt, though. I'm glad you think things other than strong PS3 sales indicate that PS3 will have strong support going forward; sales also contribute, and I say you're wrong to deny that.  If PS3 games weren't selling as well, Ubi would feel more free to go exclusive with more games.  Thus, this sales report is good for PS3.  Oh noes!  Bitmap Frogs says that's propaganda!! I referred to moneyhatting as an exception to my statement that Ubi releases would probably be multiplat b/c the PS3 versions were selling well.  If Ubi receives money/extra incentive, then of course an exclusive is more likely.  It's perfectly true and it's common sense.  It's good that you brought that up again in this last post, along with your annoyances about my username and avatar again.  Hell yeah, I picked those when I went from lurker to poster, prompted by everything starcraft was saying on these message boards.  I was pissed at his FUD, which back then was way worse than it is now.  Anyway, anyone reading our exchange would see that you abandon multiple lines of the argument each exchange, pick one to maintain, then I argue on that point, maybe to have you abandon parts of that as well.  What if we went back and dredged up all the points you've abandoned? Good showing, man.

 

Be careful, only scilons make these kind of judgements.

I messed with you and had some fun at the expense of your ignorance. Accept it and maybe from now on you'll bother learning before talking.

It's interesting you are trying the same gimmick I just pulled on you back at me. Come on, can't even figure out a proper trap on your own? Work on those trolling skills, so far you are pretty low-ranked, even though you put a lot of effort into it.

So let me get this straight, you basically picked your username and avatar to troll the boards? That's nice of you to come clean like that. It's also interesting that you show so much affection towards your console that you picked your whole forum identity around it. 100% agenda driven posting. Again, it's very courageous of you to admit to such facts.

While there was a lot of /effort in that post, it still neglects the core of the issue (something you apparently hold dearly): you misinterpreted financial data due to your lack of knowledge on these matters in order to spew some pro-Sony spin. You didn't care about what the issue was, you only cared that you could twist it into nice Sony PR. This behaviour, of course, matches your self-confessed agenda-driven forum identity and posting.

As long as you only care about promoting your agenda, you'll make crappy posts. And crappy posts are an easy hit.

Bitmap Frogs said: Loud_Hot_White_Box said: Referring to mere currency differences isn't the same as referring to the change in exchange rate over time, which is what you needed to mention.  You failed to communicate correctly; you referred to a comparison that had no bearing on the discussion, and thus you were wrong.  You got it on about your third attempt, though. I'm glad you think things other than strong PS3 sales indicate that PS3 will have strong support going forward; sales also contribute, and I say you're wrong to deny that.  If PS3 games weren't selling as well, Ubi would feel more free to go exclusive with more games.  Thus, this sales report is good for PS3.  Oh noes!  Bitmap Frogs says that's propaganda!! I referred to moneyhatting as an exception to my statement that Ubi releases would probably be multiplat b/c the PS3 versions were selling well.  If Ubi receives money/extra incentive, then of course an exclusive is more likely.  It's perfectly true and it's common sense.  It's good that you brought that up again in this last post, along with your annoyances about my username and avatar again.  Hell yeah, I picked those when I went from lurker to poster, prompted by everything starcraft was saying on these message boards.  I was pissed at his FUD, which back then was way worse than it is now.  Anyway, anyone reading our exchange would see that you abandon multiple lines of the argument each exchange, pick one to maintain, then I argue on that point, maybe to have you abandon parts of that as well.  What if we went back and dredged up all the points you've abandoned? Good showing, man.   So let me get this straight, you basically picked your username and avatar to troll the boards? [1] While there was a lot of /effort in that post, it still neglects the core of the issue (something you apparently hold dearly): you misinterpreted financial data due to your lack of knowledge on these matters in order to spew some pro-Sony spin. You didn't care about what the issue was, you only cared that you could twist it into nice Sony PR. This behaviour, of course, matches your self-confessed agenda-driven forum identity and posting. [2]

 

The rest of what you posted was crap, often infused with personal attack.  Anyway:

1. No, initially to argue against what I saw as trolling and FUD.  How wrong is that, given that everyone can see from this exchange that I do stick to the substance of the discussion and don't add vitriolic comments like you do, except maybe when you can manage to draw out one or two by continued belittlement.  But you get a free pass b/c of a difference in username and avatar, huh?  lol.

2. No, I didn't misinterpret the data.  I didn't say that Sony would definitely come out on top in subsequent years or anything.  What I said was that it boded well for continued Ubisoft support, and that was true.  You just don't like what I said, and that's the source of your objections.

As always between me and you: you don't like what I'm saying, so you'll come in with mean pissy comments.  But I think here, as before, I've pretty much wiped the floor with you.

You didn't write clearly.  Fail.

You didn't read correctly what I wrote quite clearly.  Fail.

Loud_Hot_White_Box said: Bitmap Frogs said: So let me get this straight, you basically picked your username and avatar to troll the boards? [1] While there was a lot of /effort in that post, it still neglects the core of the issue (something you apparently hold dearly): you misinterpreted financial data due to your lack of knowledge on these matters in order to spew some pro-Sony spin. You didn't care about what the issue was, you only cared that you could twist it into nice Sony PR. This behaviour, of course, matches your self-confessed agenda-driven forum identity and posting. [2]   The rest of what you posted was crap, often infused with personal attack.  Anyway: 1. No, initially to argue against what I saw as trolling and FUD.  How wrong is that, given that everyone can see from this exchange that I do stick to the substance of the discussion and don't add vitriolic comments like you do, except maybe when you can manage to draw out one or two by continued belittlement.  But you get a free pass b/c of a difference in username and avatar, huh?  lol. 2. No, I didn't misinterpret the data.  I didn't say that Sony would definitely come out on top in subsequent years or anything.  What I said was that it boded well for continued Ubisoft support, and that was true.  You just don't like what I said, and that's the source of your objections. As always between me and you: you don't like what I'm saying, so you'll come in with mean pissy comments.  But I think here, as before, I've pretty much wiped the floor with you. You didn't write clearly.  Fail. You didn't read correctly what I wrote quite clearly.  Fail.

 

Hey, even more scilon mannerisms there. 

You see, when you truly wipe the floor with people it's other posters that take notice and comment on it. I know it, because I've had people congratulating me on some ownings. Given how it's just yourself claiming that, it sounds sad and pathetic. Maybe in your head you are wiping the floor, but just in your head. Sometime down the line, maybe you'll get people to prop you up. But you gotta earn that. 

Again, you misinterpreted data in order to come off with some Sony propaganda. If you knew what was at play before I went over your head about it your post either wouldn't have happened or would have happened in a different way.

Oh, I almost forgot. Whenever you attempt to come out on top, you have to be both smarter and more subtle. Rawly stating the other poster fails is unimaginative and obvious which kills the whole deal. It makes you look douche-y which is counterproductive towards the goal.

Bitmap Frogs said: Loud_Hot_White_Box said: Referring to mere currency differences isn't the same as referring to the change in exchange rate over time, which is what you needed to mention.  You failed to communicate correctly; you referred to a comparison that had no bearing on the discussion, and thus you were wrong.  You got it on about your third attempt, though. I'm glad you think things other than strong PS3 sales indicate that PS3 will have strong support going forward; sales also contribute, and I say you're wrong to deny that.  If PS3 games weren't selling as well, Ubi would feel more free to go exclusive with more games.  Thus, this sales report is good for PS3.  Oh noes!  Bitmap Frogs says that's propaganda!! I referred to moneyhatting as an exception to my statement that Ubi releases would probably be multiplat b/c the PS3 versions were selling well.  If Ubi receives money/extra incentive, then of course an exclusive is more likely.  It's perfectly true and it's common sense.  It's good that you brought that up again in this last post, along with your annoyances about my username and avatar again.  Hell yeah, I picked those when I went from lurker to poster, prompted by everything starcraft was saying on these message boards.  I was pissed at his FUD, which back then was way worse than it is now.  Anyway, anyone reading our exchange would see that you abandon multiple lines of the argument each exchange, pick one to maintain, then I argue on that point, maybe to have you abandon parts of that as well.  What if we went back and dredged up all the points you've abandoned? Good showing, man.   Be careful, only scilons make these kind of judgements. I messed with you and had some fun at the expense of your ignorance. Accept it and maybe from now on you'll bother learning before talking. It's interesting you are trying the same gimmick I just pulled on you back at me. Come on, can't even figure out a proper trap on your own? Work on those trolling skills, so far you are pretty low-ranked, even though you put a lot of effort into it. So let me get this straight, you basically picked your username and avatar to troll the boards? That's nice of you to come clean like that. It's also interesting that you show so much affection towards your console that you picked your whole forum identity around it. 100% agenda driven posting. Again, it's very courageous of you to admit to such facts. While there was a lot of /effort in that post, it still neglects the core of the issue (something you apparently hold dearly): you misinterpreted financial data due to your lack of knowledge on these matters in order to spew some pro-Sony spin. You didn't care about what the issue was, you only cared that you could twist it into nice Sony PR. This behaviour, of course, matches your self-confessed agenda-driven forum identity and posting. As long as you only care about promoting your agenda, you'll make crappy posts. And crappy posts are an easy hit.

OK Bitmap you are really sounding like a fucking tool and you need to take a deep breath. This news is in fact very positive for Sony. The figures show adjusted revenues including 2 regions in which MS has an install base advantage. We also know that MS has a larger sell through in software in both regions. From this there would be a belief that multiplat support would decrease for the PS3. But, the figures actually reveal the opposite and that revenues per unit sold are higher on Sony's console. This financial position means exclusivity for games in 2010 may be negligible which is the best news for gamers everywhere. And precisely the point Box was making. Calm the fuck down and enough with the personal attacks.

Grooski said: OK Bitmap you are really sounding like a fucking tool and you need to take a deep breath. This news is in fact very positive for Sony. The figures show adjusted revenues including 2 regions in which MS has an install base advantage. We also know that MS has a larger sell through in software in both regions. From this there would be a belief that multiplat support would decrease for the PS3. But, the figures actually reveal the opposite and that revenues per unit sold are higher on Sony's console. This financial position means exclusivity for games in 2010 may be negligible which is the best news for gamers everywhere. And precisely the point Box was making. Calm the fuck down and enough with the personal attacks.

 

Box made a crappy post ignoring some basic facts just to squeeze some propaganda out of it. He deserves the roasting.

I've already stated ps3 support will remain strong, but Box's original reason as to why was incorrect - as he was in a hurry to put a positive spin on it. This whole back and forth is happening because he didnt swallow too well his original misunderstanding of the figures.

Bitmap Frogs said: Grooski said: OK Bitmap you are really sounding like a fucking tool and you need to take a deep breath. This news is in fact very positive for Sony. The figures show adjusted revenues including 2 regions in which MS has an install base advantage. We also know that MS has a larger sell through in software in both regions. From this there would be a belief that multiplat support would decrease for the PS3. But, the figures actually reveal the opposite and that revenues per unit sold are higher on Sony's console. This financial position means exclusivity for games in 2010 may be negligible which is the best news for gamers everywhere. And precisely the point Box was making. Calm the fuck down and enough with the personal attacks.   Box made a crappy post ignoring some basic facts just to squeeze some propaganda out of it. He deserves the roasting. I've already stated ps3 support will remain strong, but Box's original reason as to why was incorrect - as he was in a hurry to put a positive spin on it. This whole back and forth is happening because he didnt swallow too well his original misunderstanding of the figures.

 

My point wasn't predicated on Sony staying ahead in revenue, period.  It was predicated on a good showing in Ubi revenues, which is what happened.

My only misunderstanding was of your point, which originally you said was about the difference between Euros and Dollars -- but that was incorrect: you were trying to say something about the change in exchange rates over time. 

I've entered threads and mentioned that Sony would have trouble right now dropping PS3  price in the US in part because the yen is like 20% stronger right now than its historical average of the last decade or so.  See how I actually said what I meant?  I wouldn't come into the thread, if I wanted to make that point, and say, "Yen and Dollars are different."  Like an idiot.  Then, I wouldn't say someone was stupid for not following what I'm ineptly trying to say, nor would I later lie and say I was laying a trap for the other person.  To spell it out for you, that's what you did.

Again, you don't like me to say positive things about Sony, so you objected.  Very poorly.

Again, good showing!

Loud_Hot_White_Box said: My point wasn't predicated on Sony staying ahead in revenue, period.  It was predicated on a good showing in Ubi revenues, which is what happened. My only misunderstanding was of your point, which originally you said was about the difference between Euros and Dollars -- but that was incorrect: you were trying to say something about the change in exchange rates over time.  I've entered threads and mentioned that Sony would have trouble right now dropping PS3  price in the US in part because the yen is like 20% stronger right now than its historical average of the last decade or so.  See how I actually said what I meant?  I wouldn't come into the thread, if I wanted to make that point, and say, "Yen and Dollars are different."  Like an idiot.  Then, I wouldn't say someone was stupid for not following what I'm ineptly trying to say, nor would I later lie and say I was laying a trap for the other person.  To spell it out for you, that's what you did. Again, you don't like me to say positive things about Sony, so you objected.  Very poorly. Again, good showing!

 

Yes it was. You quoted Grooski on that.

You are still sore about the way I showed your ignorance of the subject at hand, aren't you? That's why you are still replying. Why does it hurt you so much that you were unaware about currency values?

Oh, I see you are still propping yourself up... feeling insecure maybe?

Anyways, the thread's been derailed enough - I'm off.

 

 

Bitmap Frogs said: Loud_Hot_White_Box said: My point wasn't predicated on Sony staying ahead in revenue, period.  It was predicated on a good showing in Ubi revenues, which is what happened. My only misunderstanding was of your point, which originally you said was about the difference between Euros and Dollars -- but that was incorrect: you were trying to say something about the change in exchange rates over time.  I've entered threads and mentioned that Sony would have trouble right now dropping PS3  price in the US in part because the yen is like 20% stronger right now than its historical average of the last decade or so.  See how I actually said what I meant?  I wouldn't come into the thread, if I wanted to make that point, and say, "Yen and Dollars are different."  Like an idiot.  Then, I wouldn't say someone was stupid for not following what I'm ineptly trying to say, nor would I later lie and say I was laying a trap for the other person.  To spell it out for you, that's what you did. Again, you don't like me to say positive things about Sony, so you objected.  Very poorly. Again, good showing!   Yes it was. You quoted Grooski on that. You are still sore about the way I showed your ignorance of the subject at hand, aren't you? That's why you are still replying. Why does it hurt you so much that you were unaware about currency values? Oh, I see you are still propping yourself up... feeling insecure maybe?

 

Grooski in fact mentioned higher revenues (in 08) but the point stands even if in 09 revenues are adjusted due to exchange rate fluctuations.  Ever since the first posts I've been saying that the news is good for PS3 as long as PS3 makes a strong showing.  That what "not predicated on" means: the point stands even if PS3 were to be somewhat lower than 360 in 09 revenue. 

I do notice from Grooski's last post that he is saying different things than I am.  If you want to argue with him, go for it.  Oh wait, you aren't butt-hurt by his avatar, so you'll argue with me.  Keep it up then, dig yourself deeper.

So you have no response on the other stuff about how I'd have gotten the statements of currency fluctuation correct, and have in other threads?  Incidentally that discussion shows that I know better than you the implications of currency fluctuation: I can tell the difference between one kind of currency comparison and another:

"I've entered threads and mentioned that Sony would have trouble right now dropping PS3  price in the US in part because the yen is like 20% stronger right now than its historical average of the last decade or so.  See how I actually said what I meant?  I wouldn't come into the thread, if I wanted to make that point, and say, "Yen and Dollars are different."  Like an idiot.  Then, I wouldn't say someone was stupid for not following what I'm ineptly trying to say, nor would I later lie and say I was laying a trap for the other person.  To spell it out for you, that's what you did."

And hey, when you say propping oneself up, is that like saying "other people have patted my ass after arguments before"?  Lol.  Check my wall.

Hey, why are you still posting?  Feeling insecure maybe?  I'd love to keep this shit bumped.