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Now here's the whole thing. Who said that the materials and substances that we know of are the ONLY substances and materials that exist throughout the whole universe?

That's what i'm trying to portray, that we have to let go of our mindset that life can only be created with what we know. Of course it might be quite the opposite but i wouldn't bet on it.



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Exactly! Just because we can’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. There are a lot of things that we thought we knew but in time proven wrong with better technology.

What we have here on earth does not mean it is like that on every other planet.



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Avalach21 said:
akuma587 said:
No idea? Come on, do some research on your own. We have created relatively complex self-produced and self-replicating molecules in laboratories with similar conditions as those on early Earth within the span of a few decades. Not to mention the Earth was around for at least a billion years before any life showed up. A lot of things can happen in a billion years.

 

First off, they made a couple amino acids in the models, but have no idea how these amino acids would come together to form life.

 

Second off, the Earth did not have a billion years for life to show up.  During the first Billion or so years, up until 3.8 billion years ago, the Earth was experiencing the Late Heavy Bombardment.  In this period, vast amounts of foreign objects were continuously pelting the Earth (and all other nearby planets).  All of the oceans vaporized, and all solid rock melted.  The earliest fossils found of Earth are 3.5 billion years old (some stromatolites).  This leaves .3 billion years for primitive life to form.

So...couldn't some of those things that bombarded the earth have contained living organisms?  There is no reason why life couldn't have migrated from somewhere else to earth and simply adapted to living here.

 



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Roma said:
Nothing just “exists” there has to be a reason and a creator. A game can’t create it self and there is a reason to why it is created so I don’t believe in the fluke theory.

There's no reason to believe there was a creator for life(as for the universe, that's another subject).

Even if there wasn't a creator, as sentient beings, we would make one up for comfort, and to ease our of the unknown.

 

 



If thinking about life in general, Logic would suggest that it was an inevitability. Believing in a set path: Since it has happened, then it was going to happen and that makes it an inevitability. Believing in many paths:  Also, if it is even simply a possibility, then if that possibility exists then again in the span of eternity, it is an inevitability. We know it is an option because here it is, existing. So to sum up, it is in most considerations an inevitability. (why was life inevitable is another discussion)

However if we think about life on Earth specifically as an inevitability, then there might be more debate.  Certainly if you believe in God, then it is an inevitability that Earth would have life.  But if you don't, then it is up to if theories of life developing in an evolutionary fashion are actually true. If they are or if some other process of self-developing life is true, then it is not an inevitability that Earth would have life, but it is also not a fluke due to the reasons mentioned in the first paragraph.  Life would have eventually begun on some planet at some time and Earth was one to aquire it.  Since it did, then the situations were more right for Earth to acquire life than many other planets, therefore by statistics and probability it cannot be a fluke.

So to sum up both paragraphs:  It may or may not have been an inevitability, but it cannot be a fluke.




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Roma said:
Nothing just “exists” there has to be a reason and a creator. A game can’t create it self and there is a reason to why it is created so I don’t believe in the fluke theory.

 

so who created the creator? and who created the creators creator? and the creators creators creator? and the creators creators creators creator? See where I'm coming from?

I just demonstrated the hole in your logic by proving that at some point something had to be created from nothing It has to, as you put it, "just exist" at some point...

Creators cannot be created by a creator for eternity, nor can only one ever exist becausesoon enough that creator will create another creator and the illogical cycle of creators creating creators starts again.

 

Also, given infinate time in an empty vacuum I'm sure a game can has created itself by pure fluke.



Fluke. If it was inevitable it would have happened more than precisely just once in Earth's history.



highwaystar101 said:
Roma said:
Nothing just “exists” there has to be a reason and a creator. A game can’t create it self and there is a reason to why it is created so I don’t believe in the fluke theory.

 

so who created the creator? and who created the creators creator? and the creators creators creator? and the creators creators creators creator? See where I'm coming from?

I just demonstrated the hole in your logic by proving that at some point something had to be created from nothing It has to, as you put it, "just exist" at some point...

Creators cannot be created by a creator for eternity, nor can only one ever exist becausesoon enough that creator will create another creator and the illogical cycle of creators creating creators starts again.

 

Also, given infinate time in an empty vacuum I'm sure a game can has created itself by pure fluke.


 Exactly, the vacuum of nothing collapsed on itself, creating the big bang.



Well right now scientists are beginning to sugest that it's impossible for an empty void to have turned into what is now our universe.

The most probable explanation is that our universe has been around for all eternity whilethe proccess of the big bang has been repeated every so often. We do know that out of the whole space between planets, stars etc. 90% of that is the so called black materia which we have no way of researching.

It might be that if we should ever learn what this substance is, we may gain valuable information about the universe as a whole.



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Thing is physicists actually have almost no knowledge of what happened pre-big bang. Its largely conjecture at this point as there is so little data. Same with what happens in the absence of space-time.