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But it's not about iq but about what you learned through school, at least that's where the biggest differences are. IQ is not represented by how much knowledge you possess.



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yanamaster said:
But it's not about iq but about what you learned through school, at least that's where the biggest differences are. IQ is not represented by how much knowledge you possess.

It kinda does though.  It tests your "reasoning" skills which are developed through school... and argueable more important then anything you'd learn below a college level.

I mean if you look at "Average IQs across the world" it correlates pretty readily with school system ratings.

 

 



Tyrannical said:
hunter_alien said:
Tyrannical said:

Well, I suppose I could borrow a quote from Civilization, "We back our threats with nuclear weapons", but the simple truth is that the US was at the height of it's millitary power at the end of WWII. Russia as well as the rest of Europe was exhausted. The US's industrial base and population base was untouched during the war. If the US said to Russia, no you may not have eastern Europe nor may you influence east Asia, Russia could do nothing to stop it.

 

 

Wow... if you really do bealive that this is true, then my friend we have nothing to discuss because you are then probably the most blind person ever. The reason Japan surrendered was not because the atomic bomb... that was the final drop. They had nothing left to protect themselves, they where trully exhausted... and all they had left was their tiny island. Now do you trully bealive that dropping a nuclear bomb on Moscow ( a city that was in ruins btw) would have made the russians give up the entire eastern europe? The US barely had troops in mainland europe by the time the war was over. The russian army was by far bigger, and back then land combat was still arguably the dominative one during a war... If the US would have kept pushing the front in matter of months their already not stable economy would have went down the hill my friend ;)

 

Well, only since you insist on bringing it up.

 

Of course Japan was exhausted near the end of the war. It took two atomic bombs to convince them that they were however. But once their navy and air force were destroyed and the US had island airbases within range of the mainland it was all over.

 

I’m not sure Eastern Europe was too keen on Russian domination. Sure it may have beaten German occupation, but I kind of think they would have preferred their freedom.  The US once JP was out of the way, could field as much equipment, troops, and nuclear deterrent that it took to make Russia capitulate. Stalin wasn’t exactly loved so much as the Nazis were hated.

 

 

 

 

 

Ummmm... you do know that the red army was considered to be the eliberator one by the majority of eastern europe... the fact that Stalins rule and the soviet union became a tyranical one becam clear only months or even years later. The US could have never defet the Naziz ( at least not that fast and not with so "few" casualties) if the Russians wouldent have pushed from east...

 

The soviet union got its reputation years later, and tough many western politicians have forseen the colapse of its popularity it was a pretty "loved" at the beginning by the majority ;)



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hunter_alien said:
Tyrannical said:
hunter_alien said:
Tyrannical said:

Well, I suppose I could borrow a quote from Civilization, "We back our threats with nuclear weapons", but the simple truth is that the US was at the height of it's millitary power at the end of WWII. Russia as well as the rest of Europe was exhausted. The US's industrial base and population base was untouched during the war. If the US said to Russia, no you may not have eastern Europe nor may you influence east Asia, Russia could do nothing to stop it.

 

 

Wow... if you really do bealive that this is true, then my friend we have nothing to discuss because you are then probably the most blind person ever. The reason Japan surrendered was not because the atomic bomb... that was the final drop. They had nothing left to protect themselves, they where trully exhausted... and all they had left was their tiny island. Now do you trully bealive that dropping a nuclear bomb on Moscow ( a city that was in ruins btw) would have made the russians give up the entire eastern europe? The US barely had troops in mainland europe by the time the war was over. The russian army was by far bigger, and back then land combat was still arguably the dominative one during a war... If the US would have kept pushing the front in matter of months their already not stable economy would have went down the hill my friend ;)

 

Well, only since you insist on bringing it up.

 

Of course Japan was exhausted near the end of the war. It took two atomic bombs to convince them that they were however. But once their navy and air force were destroyed and the US had island airbases within range of the mainland it was all over.

 

I’m not sure Eastern Europe was too keen on Russian domination. Sure it may have beaten German occupation, but I kind of think they would have preferred their freedom.  The US once JP was out of the way, could field as much equipment, troops, and nuclear deterrent that it took to make Russia capitulate. Stalin wasn’t exactly loved so much as the Nazis were hated.

 

 

 

 

 

Ummmm... you do know that the red army was considered to be the eliberator one by the majority of eastern europe... the fact that Stalins rule and the soviet union became a tyranical one becam clear only months or even years later. The US could have never defet the Naziz ( at least not that fast and not with so "few" casualties) if the Russians wouldent have pushed from east...

 

The soviet union got its reputation years later, and tough many western politicians have forseen the colapse of its popularity it was a pretty "loved" at the beginning by the majority ;)

Actually if you've studied Japan in WW2, you would know the Atomic Bomb did cause the Japanese to surrender.

The US dropped it because they didn't want Russia to invade the northern half... but Japan was refusing to surrender and had infact set up for the American invasion by placing all their troops on the sourthn beachhead and made plans to use men women children... basically everybody they could to try and fight the country off.

They were planning to take the "hitler" route and have the entire country face destruction rather then surrender.  Unless America offered a surrender deal that proposed absolutely no losses for them.

As such there would of been two options

1) A VERY Bloody invasion that would of cost many many more lives.

2) A blockade... that would fo cost many many more lives.

Only the 2nd atomic bomb gave the Emperor the ability to break away from the bigshots in japan and agree to a surrender.

 



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^ Please, the alliance perfectly knew what was going to happen with with the countries under the soviets rule. that's why it was a race to Berlin, the one who would get there first would have the high spot during negotiations.



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yanamaster said:
^ Please, the alliance perfectly knew what was going to happen with with the countries under the soviets rule. that's why it was a race to Berlin, the one who would get there first would have the high spot during negotiations.

Except it wasn't a race.

The US, UK and Canada knew exactly what Russia was going to do... but they hardly cared.  Already made up plans to split germany knowing exactly what russia would do with it's half.  Hell the nations east of Geramny were already under russias control and everyone throughly hated the germans at this point anyway.  Western Germany was just a buffer for France and the rest of western europe... until it became a vital chip in the cold war pot.

The US, UK and Canada basically let Russia hit berlin first because they didn't care to waste any life and was worried about who woudl get credit... hence they adopted a "board based approach" where they just moved their entire line slowly towards the russians... rather then make one of the two chances they had to break through and push to try and beat the russians to Berlin.

They didn't because the first plan was placed by a Canadian, and they were worried because he was generally conservative and the US and UK were affronted that a Canadian could win the "Final glory" in the Western Front.

While Patton suggested the same thing a little latter... and the UK still took offense to someone not the UK taking it.

Leaving it to Russia who didn't have to worry about who got the credit was the best "compromise".

 

They did realize what russia was and would become though.  The best was Patton who suggested that they "Head straight for Berlin and don't stop until they were in Moscow". 

That it would be a waste to have such a large powerful army collected and to not "Finish the job."



Kasz216 said:
yanamaster said:
But it's not about iq but about what you learned through school, at least that's where the biggest differences are. IQ is not represented by how much knowledge you possess.

It kinda does though.  It tests your "reasoning" skills which are developed through school... and argueable more important then anything you'd learn below a college level.

I mean if you look at "Average IQs across the world" it correlates pretty readily with school system ratings.

 

 

IQ doesn't mean shit. The one person who took it in my family, my mother. Took one IQ test after the other. On the 2nd one she got 35 points higher than she did on the first to be just shy of 180. IQ tests don't measure shit, they ae even far more easily practiced for and usless than the SATs.

 

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Kasz216 said:
yanamaster said:
^ Please, the alliance perfectly knew what was going to happen with with the countries under the soviets rule. that's why it was a race to Berlin, the one who would get there first would have the high spot during negotiations.

Except it wasn't a race.

The US, UK and Canada knew exactly what Russia was going to do... but they hardly cared.  Already made up plans to split germany knowing exactly what russia would do with it's half.  Hell the nations east of Geramny were already under russias control and everyone throughly hated the germans at this point anyway.  Western Germany was just a buffer for France and the rest of western europe... until it became a vital chip in the cold war pot.

The US, UK and Canada basically let Russia hit berlin first because they didn't care to waste any life and was worried about who woudl get credit... hence they adopted a "board based approach" where they just moved their entire line slowly towards the russians... rather then make one of the two chances they had to break through and push to try and beat the russians to Berlin.

They didn't because the first plan was placed by a Canadian, and they were worried because he was generally conservative and the US and UK were affronted that a Canadian could win the "Final glory" in the Western Front.

While Patton suggested the same thing a little latter... and the UK still took offense to someone not the UK taking it.

Leaving it to Russia who didn't have to worry about who got the credit was the best "compromise".

 

They did realize what russia was and would become though.  The best was Patton who suggested that they "Head straight for Berlin and don't stop until they were in Moscow". 

That it would be a waste to have such a large powerful army collected and to not "Finish the job."

Tell me about it, the Polish government during the War managed to escape to England and set up camp there. Then after the russians came into Poland they put some of their own men in charge of the polish underground and created a new false government. After all was said and done it was too late to do anything about it, all the political opponents were hanged or shot in the woods.

 



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Oi! Settle down, you're not proving much with that talk. the same goes for girls and/or men in any country if you know where to look.



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