hunter_alien said:
Tyrannical said:
hunter_alien said:
Tyrannical said:
Well, I suppose I could borrow a quote from Civilization, "We back our threats with nuclear weapons", but the simple truth is that the US was at the height of it's millitary power at the end of WWII. Russia as well as the rest of Europe was exhausted. The US's industrial base and population base was untouched during the war. If the US said to Russia, no you may not have eastern Europe nor may you influence east Asia, Russia could do nothing to stop it.
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Wow... if you really do bealive that this is true, then my friend we have nothing to discuss because you are then probably the most blind person ever. The reason Japan surrendered was not because the atomic bomb... that was the final drop. They had nothing left to protect themselves, they where trully exhausted... and all they had left was their tiny island. Now do you trully bealive that dropping a nuclear bomb on Moscow ( a city that was in ruins btw) would have made the russians give up the entire eastern europe? The US barely had troops in mainland europe by the time the war was over. The russian army was by far bigger, and back then land combat was still arguably the dominative one during a war... If the US would have kept pushing the front in matter of months their already not stable economy would have went down the hill my friend ;)
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Well, only since you insist on bringing it up.
Of course Japan was exhausted near the end of the war. It took two atomic bombs to convince them that they were however. But once their navy and air force were destroyed and the US had island airbases within range of the mainland it was all over.
I’m not sure Eastern Europe was too keen on Russian domination. Sure it may have beaten German occupation, but I kind of think they would have preferred their freedom. The US once JP was out of the way, could field as much equipment, troops, and nuclear deterrent that it took to make Russia capitulate. Stalin wasn’t exactly loved so much as the Nazis were hated.
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Ummmm... you do know that the red army was considered to be the eliberator one by the majority of eastern europe... the fact that Stalins rule and the soviet union became a tyranical one becam clear only months or even years later. The US could have never defet the Naziz ( at least not that fast and not with so "few" casualties) if the Russians wouldent have pushed from east...
The soviet union got its reputation years later, and tough many western politicians have forseen the colapse of its popularity it was a pretty "loved" at the beginning by the majority ;)
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Actually if you've studied Japan in WW2, you would know the Atomic Bomb did cause the Japanese to surrender.
The US dropped it because they didn't want Russia to invade the northern half... but Japan was refusing to surrender and had infact set up for the American invasion by placing all their troops on the sourthn beachhead and made plans to use men women children... basically everybody they could to try and fight the country off.
They were planning to take the "hitler" route and have the entire country face destruction rather then surrender. Unless America offered a surrender deal that proposed absolutely no losses for them.
As such there would of been two options
1) A VERY Bloody invasion that would of cost many many more lives.
2) A blockade... that would fo cost many many more lives.
Only the 2nd atomic bomb gave the Emperor the ability to break away from the bigshots in japan and agree to a surrender.
