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Interesting it's already hit 2,200. It was at ~1,600 unconfirmed cases yesterday.

Hope the US sends the military in and seals the border off.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

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People keep talking about the deaths it has caused, but are the people dying just the ones that don't go to the doctor for whatever reason?

I mean if you're jumping the border and bringing it to America, it's not hard to assume those people don't have health care. Would it be wrong to assume that the people that died in Mexico also didn't really get any medical attention for whatever reason and that's the reason there are so many deaths?

I mean the kid in Cleveland is doing fine because he want to the hospital so it seems like as long as you get help, it's not this horrible thing that people are making it out to be.

Well, scratch that, it's horrible because people are dying because they can't get medical help, but I don't think it's this worldwide scare that the press is trying to make it out to be, or at least the huge threat to Americans that the press is making it out to be.

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And I admit I'm pretty much ignorant on the situation since I only heard about it in passing on the news and from what I've seen in this thread.

Torillian seems to know what he's talking about though.



mrstickball said:
Interesting it's already hit 2,200. It was at ~1,600 unconfirmed cases yesterday.

Hope the US sends the military in and seals the border off.

To be quite honest I don't think that would work. If a person wants to cross the border bad enough they will try andfind a way to get through. I mean you can't patrol every inch of the border. If you do try to close it, all it's going to do is harm relations with Mexico and stop trade ,etc...



highwaystar101 said:
mrstickball said:
Interesting it's already hit 2,200. It was at ~1,600 unconfirmed cases yesterday.

Hope the US sends the military in and seals the border off.

To be quite honest I don't think that would work. If a person wants to cross the border bad enough they will try andfind a way to get through. I mean you can't patrol every inch of the border. If you do try to close it, all it's going to do is harm relations with Mexico and stop trade ,etc...

 

It would harm trade/relations if we did it without reason.  Health crisis is a pretty good reason to shut down a border for a while.



most of the cases in America are form people who went to Mexico. the 28 cases in new York was from students who went there for spring break



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twesterm said:

 

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And I admit I'm pretty much ignorant on the situation since I only heard about it in passing on the news and from what I've seen in this thread.

Torillian seems to know what he's talking about though.

 

I've had to do a couple reports on it for Biochem classes.  Unfortunately I don't know exactly how vaccines work.  I had thought we made vaccines each flu season with different N and H strains to try and catch what's the most prevalent, and if we knew that this newest "pandemic" was coming from the H1N1 strain then we should be able to prepare and vaccinate for it. 

The issue is that if you don't have a vaccine you really can't get rid of the virus, all you can do is use anti-viral drugs to slow down the virus until your immune system is able to put it into remission. 

With all that, like you said, even if there isn't a vaccine, this isn't something amazingly deadly such as the Spanish Flu, and even if it was, we are now much better equpped medically than we were back then.  Some people will die from it, but people die from many diseases that we don't even think about.  It is unfortunate, but it's just the way things are.

edit: thinking about it, perhaps if enough changed genetically and it is an influenza that has structure meant to attack swine or birds, and it now has the H1N1 proteins to be able to attack humans then maybe that would be why vaccination isn't an option.



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My sister and her husband are in Mexico City. I just got off the phone with them. They both have it. They're okay so far, just staying home and being sick as hell. They're told not to go to hospitals unless they absolutely have to, because the hospitals will be full of people who really really really have it and you'd have to be nuts to even step into one. So they're staying inside and wearing face masks, for the last few days. All school and sporting events and festivals have been canceled, and people are already blaming the virus and this morning's 6.0 earthquake on gay marriage.

They also say we already have the cure for it, but it's so widespread and hitting other countries like Spain and New Zealand, that it could easily go worldwide and it's just a matter of making the cure fast enough and getting it out everywhere before too many people die.



"The issue is that if you don't have a vaccine you really can't get rid of the virus, all you can do is use anti-viral drugs to slow down the virus until your immune system is able to put it into remission. "

@Torrillian, Ok so that explains why kids and old people die, weak immune systems. What about these people then? Theyre generally young adults.

Will it take 6 months to make a vaccine for this particular strain? Thats what someone said on the news.



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megaman79 said:
"The issue is that if you don't have a vaccine you really can't get rid of the virus, all you can do is use anti-viral drugs to slow down the virus until your immune system is able to put it into remission. "

@Torrillian, Ok so that explains why kids and old people die, weak immune systems. What about these people then? Theyre generally young adults.

Will it take 6 months to make a vaccine for this particular strain? Thats what someone said on the news.

 

It could take that long to make the vaccine for a particular strain in large enough quantities.  I don't know the logistics of the large scale production. 

Onto why young people may be killed, it's hard to say.  all we deal with is chances, there is a greater chance to live through the flu if you are younger, but young people often don't get flu vaccines, so they might not have as "prepared" an immune system.  That's all just theory off the top of my head though.



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The Ghost of RubangB said:

My sister and her husband are in Mexico City. I just got off the phone with them. They both have it. They're okay so far, just staying home and being sick as hell. They're told not to go to hospitals unless they absolutely have to, because the hospitals will be full of people who really really really have it and you'd have to be nuts to even step into one. So they're staying inside and wearing face masks, for the last few days. All school and sporting events and festivals have been canceled, and people are already blaming the virus and this morning's 6.0 earthquake on gay marriage.

They also say we already have the cure for it, but it's so widespread and hitting other countries like Spain and New Zealand, that it could easily go worldwide and it's just a matter of making the cure fast enough and getting it out everywhere before too many people die.

 

Sweet justice! Hoooraaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy!

 

Where did you hear the bolded part?