You know... even if Blu-ray does take over all movie sales DVD has.

It's still less profitable then videogames.

Making your whole arguement fairly moot.

Which it would be anyway unless you think sony would of known digital download was going to be the next big thing....

and they didn't even know the PS3 wasn't going to sell.

I never argued that Bluray was going to be profitable, only "succesful" in that they will eventually overtake DVDs. I was only arguing against people who delusionally thought that everyone bought their HD tvs for only video games and television, and that Bluray disks will never sell well, even when the price will go down.

Like my very first post, Sony severely over estimated their brand, and thought that the PS3 alone can carry the weight of everything, including Bluray.

As for digital downloads, I think that digital streaming will continue to grow and be very succesful, but I don't think (with my limited knowledge) that our internet structure (in the US) is good enough uniformly to even pull off that kind of service. Personally I wouldn't buy a movie through download, because I'm assuming that Holywood won't let me move it onto my computer or copy those files, and I want to have something that I can actually hold and preserve, and not something that can be lost so easily.

I can't say what others think though.

HDTV's were never priority in this country. Government regulation is forcing the people to either get a reciever or buy an HDTV. The people have been responding to HDTV extemely slow, because we should've been converted a little while ago. The Obama administation has a shitload of people that they've had to give coupons to for converters, because they saw no need for a switch.

Blu Ray is not needed because DVD already exists. HD-DVD was beating Blu Ray, but even the people didn't want that format over normal DVD. Blu Ray is just a DVD that allows for more space. It's not worth paying $30 per movie when you can get a DVD for 4-20 dollars at best buy. Blu Ray still exists because shareholders will not profit, so they forced it upon us. Sony didn't allow the market to not care about Blu Ray....they forced it upon us.

*face palm* I'm not talking about government programs, but about private industries. Sony wants, whether its a SHARP or Samsung HD tv (preferably Bravia), HD tv's to be sold. If there are no HD tvs, there are no incentives to buy a BR player, and Blu ray disks. Please stay on topic, or ask me if I didn't get my point through to you clear enough.

I don't know if HD-Dvd was winning at one point (did it really?), but obviously Bluray beat HD-DVD due to the support it got from movie studios and their bigger share of the HD format market at the end of the war. You can make anything sound non-chalant with how you described Blu-ray... All HD Tvs are just TV's with more pixels. Obviously if people bought HD tvs, they desired to watch something in HD tv. I don't see why, they would buy the HD Tv only to watch HD  tv and play HD video games (both of which can be played on SD tvs anyway as well, just as useless as you said).

Like I said earlier in the thread (or perhaps another thread?), I believe that Bluray DOES have an issue with price. But like someone else said, so did DVDs. What happens when Bluray becomes 4-20 dollars, and DVD hit their minimum price? Will you honestly continue to watch movies in SD, and everything else in HD? Like I said again, we can use your argument for years to come, when Super HD (which is being developed by now by NHK (?) and BBC (?)) comes, and then the next set of definitions. Ultimately those are not "necessary". In fact, when was all our entertainment devices "necessary"?

As for your last rambling about how Sony is "forcing" Bluray upon us like it's a conspiracy. In the end, we have a choice, as there are still new DVDs being sold, so there goes any conspiracy between the movie industry and Sony. If you're talking joint businesses moves, and ADVERTISING "forcing", then you shouldn't live in a consumer nation such as America. Advertisement and marketing have made certain products absolutely golden like iPods. And there is nothing wrong with convincing people to buy your product, far from "forcing" them to.

It doesn't matter what Sony, Samsung (Which is my favorite brand) or even Sharp want for HDTV's. People wouldn't have responded as much if it was just private companies alone influencing the situation. The only way people would respond to accepting newer installments by private organizations, if they resist, is by being duped (IE: The PS3).

Yes, HD DVD was beating Blu Ray before the PS3 came out. Sony was moneyhatting Blockbuster, making deals to make Blu Ray exclusive. Blu Ray had a load of powerful backers from Sony, Toshiba, Samsung, Disney and more investing in Blu Ray. HD DVD only had a couple of companies backing them. Blu Ray's survival is all corporation politics. Standard DVD didn't even get this much resistance vs VHS.

Blu Ray wont become 4-20 dollars without beating or being equal to standard DVD. It costs too much to make them. Blu Ray was forced upon us. Ask youself the question of why no one responded to Blu Ray in the first place and how it came to be accepted. Sony used to videogame industry to dupe the people into accepting the format. It's like someone said in another post before. The PS3 was a "Trojan Horse" for the adoption of Blu Ray. Technically it was forced and this is no conspiracy theory.

The people should be able to control the market, but when you have companies like these who have the money to force their will, things happen. This brings us to where we are today.

 sounds good except i had to change some dates your a year ahead

What do you mean duped? That people were "forced" to get Bluray on the PS3? There's the 360 avaiable, and ultimately you don't have to buy a Bluray movie. If you're upset that companies are using Blu-ray disks for video games, while many may argue that Bluray is inferior to DVDs, I don't think Hideo Kojima, along with every developer who made a game are in this "conspiracy". You also stated in your earlier post that we wanted DVDs, while Bluray was being forced upon us. So what was up with the PS2 and Xbox then???

So are you against consoles getting 3rd party exclusives in this console war? Sony got support from movie industrialists, and got to get their movies on their disk (like the 360 got games on its system early in the war). We still had a choice, and we decided to buy the format which had more support and movies on it. That's competition, and fair competition.

Bluray will become cheaper... unless its raw materials are worth $20? Bluray came to be accepted because Sony decided to, along with getting movie studios (and their own studio) to support their format, AND they took the risk and gambit to make the PS3 a bluray player. It payed off in the aspect that all those millions of PS3's, although low in the console wars, were huge in the HD format wars, and they were able to get more Bluray players, and convince the studios to give even more support.

Yes, you can say that the PS3 was a "Trojan Horse" for Bluray, but again, we did not have to buy Bluray movies, we had the 360 avaiable BEFORE the PS3, and DVDs aren't going anywhere for a few more years. Companies are able to control the market!!! There's no such thing as force, unless the entire industry is agreeing not to give consumers what they want, which seems nearly impossible without government outright banning a product. If everyone really wanted to buy only DVDs, they'll do so, and the companies who still continue to manufacture and sell DVDs will get the benefit of losing the competition who try to "force" Blu-ray on us.

Advertisement, is an attempt by companies to control the market. Make something cool, and people will buy it (e.g. iPod)

Cutting and setting the price is an attempt by comapnies to control the market. While this might sound scary and conspiratorial like you say, due to competition and enough freedom in the market, if there is one company who won't hitch the price up on the product, they'll reap the benefits. If all of the companies want to push Bluray by making it dirt cheap, they're not really "forcing" us to buy it, is it?

You're sounding more and more crazy. You seem to despise how companies are trying to compete (or "forcing" as you call it), but it is that very competition that makes you safe from being literally forced to buy a certain product, at a certain price, from a certain company, etc. You don't HAVE to buy Bluray. You don't HAVE to buy a PS3. All movies are on both DVDs and Blurays (or actually, all movies are on DVD, and some on Bluray).

Succeed in what? Succeed in Marketshare?? I don't know...

Succeed in profit??? OF Course.

When I say duped, I'm saying that Blu Ray wasn't naturally accepted by consumers. Because Sony knew the PS3 would sell millions, they put the Blu Ray into the PS3 which in turn forced Blu Ray into the mainstream, instead of being accepted as a stand alone product. The PS3 was listed as the cheapest Blu Ray player and because of the PS3 selling, Blu Ray rode on its back, leading to the eventual price drop in Blu Ray stand alones. It would've never worked had board members accepted that Blu Ray was just as redundant as HD-DVD was. You're obviously not getting what i'm sahying clearly, DVD's are the standard format. DVD's never had as much resistance as Blu Ray recieved.

I am not against consoles getting third party exclusives, because thats just the nature of the game. 3rd party devs generally aren't loyal and in this economy will follow whatever trend leads to the money. Microsoft (as i've said time and time again) revealed the fact that Sony depended too much on third party and less on first and second party. They also financially backed third party more and dropped more first and second between the PSX and PS2 generations. Third parties are generally up for grabs, theres no doubt about this. Microsoft made it extremely hard for gamers to choose between the PS3, by adding third parties to their lineup to the point where the 360 was the cheaper system with nearly all the same games that played them with similar performance and no uploads.

Of course Blu Ray will become cheaper....stand alones already have because of the PS3. Putting the Blu Ray into the PS3 wasn't a risk, it was guaranteed. Blu Ray being allowed to continue stand alone was a risk.

Of course there is a such thing as force. The market should always be allowed to run on it's own. The people should be able to choose what they like and don't think is relvant. Read up all of the reports that brought light to the fact that Blu Ray would've never survived without the PS3. Companies do not control the market unless they are a monopoly.

I'm not crazy, I just see things the way they are. I have no loyalty to brands even if I like  their products(ahem, Samsung). This allows me to look objectively and clearly.

Plain and simple, I have Never Met Anyone that said "why should I switch from VHS to DvD"

It offered such a transition that it wasn't even funny...

DvD to Blu-Ray just does not appeal to the masses...  People walk into a store with a Blu-Ray movie being shown on a 32inch, heck even a 42inch and say.... "so????"

Don't believe me, go into a Best Buy or Wal*Mart and look at the Blu-Ray Display...

The best is looking at the movie clips and how crappy a DvD (supposedly) looks in comparison to a Blu-Ray.. I mean come on... you a movie on DvD and they make it look like it's on a 1,000 time watched VHS tape...

Storage means SHIT, when a burner cost a car payment and the Blu-ray Burnable (single layer) Disc cost one tire.. (vehicle owners know how much one tire can cost)....

People can go on and on about storage, but look at the jump drives that are available for $9.99 8gigs each, and they are getting cheaper by the month..

Would you rather have a (Disc or Burner) were you have to see if it's a +RW or just +R (or) just pop in a USB jump-drive and use it regardless...

ya... exactly...

Tired of hearing about the storage that nobody will spend money on anytime soon, because by the time Blu-ray single layers even (Duel-Layers) become affordable, many, many, things will have more capacity and be even more affordable..

Not to mention 100 stack of DvD single layers go for roughly $29.99, but yet a "decade later" 100 Stack of Duel Layers are still expensive... not to mention hard to find, except online..

O.... USB Jump Drives are scratch resistant...