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Akvod said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Akvod said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Akvod said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
For all those who are talking about Blu Ray and HDTV's, HDTV's are more of a priority because it's being forced on us by government regulations or we have to have some clunky receiver put in our houses to give the digital signal to the tv. Digital conversion is now a reality in America. All of our main news stations are digital only. Blu Ray is not a priority. Sony might as well get the government to force Blu Ray on us too.

 

 

I think all the industries, from electronic manufacturers like Sony, to Holywood think HD tv's are a priority. Without HD tv's, there's no Bluray. What I'm confused is why there's a double standard against Bluray, where nobody wants to watch HD movies on the HD TV they just bought, while they only want to watch TV shows and play video games on it. What kind of logic is that?

 

 

HDTV's were never priority in this country. Government regulation is forcing the people to either get a reciever or buy an HDTV. The people have been responding to HDTV extemely slow, because we should've been converted a little while ago. The Obama administation has a shitload of people that they've had to give coupons to for converters, because they saw no need for a switch.

Blu Ray is not needed because DVD already exists. HD-DVD was beating Blu Ray, but even the people didn't want that format over normal DVD. Blu Ray is just a DVD that allows for more space. It's not worth paying $30 per movie when you can get a DVD for 4-20 dollars at best buy. Blu Ray still exists because shareholders will not profit, so they forced it upon us. Sony didn't allow the market to not care about Blu Ray....they forced it upon us.

*face palm* I'm not talking about government programs, but about private industries. Sony wants, whether its a SHARP or Samsung HD tv (preferably Bravia), HD tv's to be sold. If there are no HD tvs, there are no incentives to buy a BR player, and Blu ray disks. Please stay on topic, or ask me if I didn't get my point through to you clear enough.

I don't know if HD-Dvd was winning at one point (did it really?), but obviously Bluray beat HD-DVD due to the support it got from movie studios and their bigger share of the HD format market at the end of the war. You can make anything sound non-chalant with how you described Blu-ray... All HD Tvs are just TV's with more pixels. Obviously if people bought HD tvs, they desired to watch something in HD tv. I don't see why, they would buy the HD Tv only to watch HD  tv and play HD video games (both of which can be played on SD tvs anyway as well, just as useless as you said).

Like I said earlier in the thread (or perhaps another thread?), I believe that Bluray DOES have an issue with price. But like someone else said, so did DVDs. What happens when Bluray becomes 4-20 dollars, and DVD hit their minimum price? Will you honestly continue to watch movies in SD, and everything else in HD? Like I said again, we can use your argument for years to come, when Super HD (which is being developed by now by NHK (?) and BBC (?)) comes, and then the next set of definitions. Ultimately those are not "necessary". In fact, when was all our entertainment devices "necessary"?

As for your last rambling about how Sony is "forcing" Bluray upon us like it's a conspiracy. In the end, we have a choice, as there are still new DVDs being sold, so there goes any conspiracy between the movie industry and Sony. If you're talking joint businesses moves, and ADVERTISING "forcing", then you shouldn't live in a consumer nation such as America. Advertisement and marketing have made certain products absolutely golden like iPods. And there is nothing wrong with convincing people to buy your product, far from "forcing" them to.

It doesn't matter what Sony, Samsung (Which is my favorite brand) or even Sharp want for HDTV's. People wouldn't have responded as much if it was just private companies alone influencing the situation. The only way people would respond to accepting newer installments by private organizations, if they resist, is by being duped (IE: The PS3).

Yes, HD DVD was beating Blu Ray before the PS3 came out. Sony was moneyhatting Blockbuster, making deals to make Blu Ray exclusive. Blu Ray had a load of powerful backers from Sony, Toshiba, Samsung, Disney and more investing in Blu Ray. HD DVD only had a couple of companies backing them. Blu Ray's survival is all corporation politics. Standard DVD didn't even get this much resistance vs VHS.

Blu Ray wont become 4-20 dollars without beating or being equal to standard DVD. It costs too much to make them. Blu Ray was forced upon us. Ask youself the question of why no one responded to Blu Ray in the first place and how it came to be accepted. Sony used to videogame industry to dupe the people into accepting the format. It's like someone said in another post before. The PS3 was a "Trojan Horse" for the adoption of Blu Ray. Technically it was forced and this is no conspiracy theory.

The people should be able to control the market, but when you have companies like these who have the money to force their will, things happen. This brings us to where we are today.

What do you mean duped? That people were "forced" to get Bluray on the PS3? There's the 360 avaiable, and ultimately you don't have to buy a Bluray movie. If you're upset that companies are using Blu-ray disks for video games, while many may argue that Bluray is inferior to DVDs, I don't think Hideo Kojima, along with every developer who made a game are in this "conspiracy". You also stated in your earlier post that we wanted DVDs, while Bluray was being forced upon us. So what was up with the PS2 and Xbox then???

So are you against consoles getting 3rd party exclusives in this console war? Sony got support from movie industrialists, and got to get their movies on their disk (like the 360 got games on its system early in the war). We still had a choice, and we decided to buy the format which had more support and movies on it. That's competition, and fair competition.

Bluray will become cheaper... unless its raw materials are worth $20? Bluray came to be accepted because Sony decided to, along with getting movie studios (and their own studio) to support their format, AND they took the risk and gambit to make the PS3 a bluray player. It payed off in the aspect that all those millions of PS3's, although low in the console wars, were huge in the HD format wars, and they were able to get more Bluray players, and convince the studios to give even more support.

Yes, you can say that the PS3 was a "Trojan Horse" for Bluray, but again, we did not have to buy Bluray movies, we had the 360 avaiable BEFORE the PS3, and DVDs aren't going anywhere for a few more years. Companies are able to control the market!!! There's no such thing as force, unless the entire industry is agreeing not to give consumers what they want, which seems nearly impossible without government outright banning a product. If everyone really wanted to buy only DVDs, they'll do so, and the companies who still continue to manufacture and sell DVDs will get the benefit of losing the competition who try to "force" Blu-ray on us.

 

Advertisement, is an attempt by companies to control the market. Make something cool, and people will buy it (e.g. iPod)

Cutting and setting the price is an attempt by comapnies to control the market. While this might sound scary and conspiratorial like you say, due to competition and enough freedom in the market, if there is one company who won't hitch the price up on the product, they'll reap the benefits. If all of the companies want to push Bluray by making it dirt cheap, they're not really "forcing" us to buy it, is it?

You're sounding more and more crazy. You seem to despise how companies are trying to compete (or "forcing" as you call it), but it is that very competition that makes you safe from being literally forced to buy a certain product, at a certain price, from a certain company, etc. You don't HAVE to buy Bluray. You don't HAVE to buy a PS3. All movies are on both DVDs and Blurays (or actually, all movies are on DVD, and some on Bluray).

 

When I say duped, I'm saying that Blu Ray wasn't naturally accepted by consumers. Because Sony knew the PS3 would sell millions, they put the Blu Ray into the PS3 which in turn forced Blu Ray into the mainstream, instead of being accepted as a stand alone product. The PS3 was listed as the cheapest Blu Ray player and because of the PS3 selling, Blu Ray rode on its back, leading to the eventual price drop in Blu Ray stand alones. It would've never worked had board members accepted that Blu Ray was just as redundant as HD-DVD was. You're obviously not getting what i'm sahying clearly, DVD's are the standard format. DVD's never had as much resistance as Blu Ray recieved.

I am not against consoles getting third party exclusives, because thats just the nature of the game. 3rd party devs generally aren't loyal and in this economy will follow whatever trend leads to the money. Microsoft (as i've said time and time again) revealed the fact that Sony depended too much on third party and less on first and second party. They also financially backed third party more and dropped more first and second between the PSX and PS2 generations. Third parties are generally up for grabs, theres no doubt about this. Microsoft made it extremely hard for gamers to choose between the PS3, by adding third parties to their lineup to the point where the 360 was the cheaper system with nearly all the same games that played them with similar performance and no uploads.

Of course Blu Ray will become cheaper....stand alones already have because of the PS3. Putting the Blu Ray into the PS3 wasn't a risk, it was guaranteed. Blu Ray being allowed to continue stand alone was a risk.

Of course there is a such thing as force. The market should always be allowed to run on it's own. The people should be able to choose what they like and don't think is relvant. Read up all of the reports that brought light to the fact that Blu Ray would've never survived without the PS3. Companies do not control the market unless they are a monopoly.

I'm not crazy, I just see things the way they are. I have no loyalty to brands even if I like  their products(ahem, Samsung). This allows me to look objectively and clearly.