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i actually like nc history better. but on topic i would rather american history



hmm i would be more interested in American history just because i've been taught European history at school.

But really, those aren't comparable...

And no, not proud of some of the things the Dutch did...



Without the British Empire America as it is today wouldn't exist. No disrespect to Americans meant at all. But Britain itself has had more influence on the world. And other cultures have had more influence then Britain has, like Ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt and I'm sure many others.

But its all interrelated, what I find interesting is how different countries interact and how that created the world we live in today.



I find British and European history more interesting than American history. Just a hella more stuff to know...



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Killzowned said:

Vetteman94 said:
Killzowned said:
wfz said:
I love how some people in here are talking about the British Empire as if it was a good thing!

There were bad points, ofcourse. No-one is denying that, but there were more good points than bad. If you want me to list, please ask.

 

 

 List Please

Industrialisation: The single greatest achievement of the British Empire. Without the industiral revolution and Britain, you would not have any of the luxuries you currently enjoy. In fact, the world would be decades behind what it currently is at.

Democracy: The Empire brought democracy to a large number of former colonies. During the decolonisation, it was overseen that the countries had free elections that were in the people's interest. However, that did not last long, as the governments soon turned corupt. Zimbabwae would be in much, much better shape today if it were still under colonial rule, as would many of the former colonies in Africa.

English Language: The English language has made communication across various countries easier and has increased ease of trade greatly.

British Legal System: Numerous countries today base their legal systems on the British and it is the envy of much of the world.

British School System: As above, many countries base their system on the British one.

Can do more, but I'm going to go revise now. Do a search online if you want more.

 

Having gone over British history twice, once in World History and once in AP European history,  I can confidently say you are way off.  You're twisting a lot of things.  Britain's empire did not cause industrialization.  Rather, it was the opposite.  Britain needed a more markets to sell their goods too and more raw materials.  Thus, the solution was to enslave local populations to strip the land of its resources and then use said resources to create goods to sell back to these enslaved countries.  I'd hardly consider that a positive aspect of imperialism.


Your post stinks of superiority, and, maybe on a more subtle manner, racism.  You automatically assume that bringing British culture to these countries improves them.  I'd recomend reading Things Fall Apart and Heart of Darkness for a bit of a reality check.

Britain has done a lot of great things in its history.  Imperialism was definitely not one of them.  Britain's not the only country at fault, though.  Imperialism was a European phenomenon, but Britain WAS at the head of it. 

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Someone said US History started in 1776; they're was off as well.  America becomes relevant in world affairs with their involvement in the Great War for Empire (aka French-Indian War).  America was one of the great theaters for determining dominance between France and Britain.  While the country doesn't become a superpower until after WWI, they become important quickly, if only for the amount of goods they can produce.

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OT: I'd take World History.  US History was cool, but learning about about all the different cultures was amazing when I took the class freshman year.



Well, I haven't done history outside of school, but I prefered world history. I think the main reason was that it was less detailed though, because there's so much of it.
Not counting the first few years because it wasn't very serious, but we had a year of ancient history, a year of history up to WWI, then WWI+ WWII + a bit after that. And since those are pretty expansive there weren't a billion dates and names to remember.

After that the last two years were a pain with everything all over again, but detailed and focused.



Killzowned said:

Vetteman94 said:
Killzowned said:
wfz said:
I love how some people in here are talking about the British Empire as if it was a good thing!

There were bad points, ofcourse. No-one is denying that, but there were more good points than bad. If you want me to list, please ask.

 

 

 List Please

Industrialisation: The single greatest achievement of the British Empire. Without the industiral revolution and Britain, you would not have any of the luxuries you currently enjoy. In fact, the world would be decades behind what it currently is at.

Democracy: The Empire brought democracy to a large number of former colonies. During the decolonisation, it was overseen that the countries had free elections that were in the people's interest. However, that did not last long, as the governments soon turned corupt. Zimbabwae would be in much, much better shape today if it were still under colonial rule, as would many of the former colonies in Africa. No it wouldn't. The reason it is bad now is because of Britain's policy of indirect rule, where they created a system of 'decentralized despotism.' Chiefs, elders and local kings (several forms of government already were in place) had to make their people happy as Africa was quite sparsely populated in a continent with an abundance of land. When the Brits came they reinforced an authoritarian system to keep people organized and to collect taxes. You also forget to realize that it was so easy for a long time because the African's didn't have the weaponry, but in fact they 'won' (plus the UK was losing a ton of money) their independence in several countries through skirmishes.

English Language: The English language has made communication across various countries easier and has increased ease of trade greatly.

British Legal System: Numerous countries today base their legal systems on the British and it is the envy of much of the world.

British School System: As above, many countries base their system on the British one.

Can do more, but I'm going to go revise now. Do a search online if you want more.

 

 



weaveworld said:
hmm i would be more interested in American history just because i've been taught European history at school.

But really, those aren't comparable...

And no, not proud of some of the things the Dutch did...

We sent the Spanish running. Then took many rich Belgian protestants (and Portugese?) in which got ourselves into a Golden Age. Ruled the seas, invented stocks, were the first to have a settlement on Manhatten island, fought (and won) 4 Anglo-Dutch wars, had a Dutchman on the throne of England, traded in slaves, killed of whole island populations and were then defeated by combined English, French and Germanic armies. Later we were the last to abolish slavery, were forced to give up Indonesia by the US and the word "Apartheid" is ours.

Isn't that great.



Roman History is personally my favorite.



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