By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General - Bush Era Torture Memos Released

Tyrannical on 17 April 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Huh, America considered it a war crime and convicted the Japanese for waterboarding in WW2.

Funny how we get to change our definitions of war crimes when we commit them.

 

Why not read the entire article, including the discussion page? You are really cherry picking your facts.

Here's something I bet you missed.

All special operations units in all branches of the U.S. military employ the use of waterboarding as part of survival school (SERE) training, to psychologically prepare soldiers for the eventuality of being captured by the enemy forces.[74]



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Around the Network
The Ghost of RubangB on 17 April 2009
Tyrannical said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Huh, America considered it a war crime and convicted the Japanese for waterboarding in WW2.

Funny how we get to change our definitions of war crimes when we commit them.

 

Why not read the entire article, including the discussion page? You are really cherry picking your facts.

Here's something I bet you missed.

All special operations units in all branches of the U.S. military employ the use of waterboarding as part of survival school (SERE) training, to psychologically prepare soldiers for the eventuality of being captured by the enemy forces.[74]

The first 6 words were "Waterboarding is a form of torture."  That's what you should be arguing, if your argument is in fact that waterboarding is not torture.  My argument is that waterboarding is torture.  Obama and McCain both agreed on this during the debates.



twitter.com/evaneldeneller

Sunday Fundays

MrBubbles on 17 April 2009

well...wikipedia said its torture so it must be.



"I like my steaks how i like my women.  Bloody and all over my face"

"Its like sex, but with a winner!"

MrBubbles Review Threads: Bill Gates, Jak II, Kingdom Hearts II, The Strangers, Sly 2, Crackdown, Zohan, Quarantine, Klungo Sssavesss Teh World, MS@E3'08, WATCHMEN(movie), Shadow of the Colossus, The Saboteur

The Ghost of RubangB on 17 April 2009
MrBubbles said:
well...wikipedia said its torture so it must be.

When used correctly, Wikipedia doesn't actually "say" anything.  It is a collection of information, collected from other sources, and cited appropriately.

 

It is considered a form of torture by legal experts,[4][5] politicians, war veterans,[6][7] intelligence officials,[8] military judges,[9] and human rights organizations.[10][11]

 

You can click on any of those numbers for the sources.  I didn't make them up.  Wikipedia didn't make them up.



twitter.com/evaneldeneller

Sunday Fundays

Tyrannical on 17 April 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:

The first 6 words were "Waterboarding is a form of torture."  That's what you should be arguing, if your argument is in fact that waterboarding is not torture.  My argument is that waterboarding is torture.  Obama and McCain both agreed on this during the debates.

 

Go read the discussion section of the wikipedia entry. Shocking how they exist and how there can be debates on what is included.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Around the Network
MrBubbles on 17 April 2009

of course...you could find people in those same fields that would say the waterboarding conducted by the US wasnt torture at all.



"I like my steaks how i like my women.  Bloody and all over my face"

"Its like sex, but with a winner!"

MrBubbles Review Threads: Bill Gates, Jak II, Kingdom Hearts II, The Strangers, Sly 2, Crackdown, Zohan, Quarantine, Klungo Sssavesss Teh World, MS@E3'08, WATCHMEN(movie), Shadow of the Colossus, The Saboteur

akuma587 on 17 April 2009

You can find people who say Obama is the Antichrist. That doesn't make it true. You can find scientists who say that evolution is a myth. That doesn't make it true.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Jackson50 on 17 April 2009

As the article says towards the end, this information has been available in the public domain for some time. Regardless, it is shocking to be confronted with the actual documents that authorized the condemnable practices.



Jo21 on 17 April 2009

i can't say anything about this.

war crimes still.
but hypocresy when americans are the ones who commit it.



Tyrannical on 17 April 2009

I would prefer they use psychoactive drugs for interrogation.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire