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Tyrannical said:
I would prefer they use psychoactive drugs for interrogation.

That would DEFINITELY fly with the Eighth Amendment.

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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akuma587 said:
Tyrannical said:
I would prefer they use psychoactive drugs for interrogation.

That would DEFINITELY fly with the Eighth Amendment.

 

 

Well, what's your preferance? Physical torture or pyschoactive drugs?

Neither is just a cop out answer.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:
akuma587 said:
Tyrannical said:
I would prefer they use psychoactive drugs for interrogation.

That would DEFINITELY fly with the Eighth Amendment.

 

 

Well, what's your preferance? Physical torture or pyschoactive drugs?

Neither is just a cop out answer.

Cruel or unusual punishment.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:

Cruel or unusual punishment.

 

 

Ha, ha. It's Cruel AND unusual punishment.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:
akuma587 said:
Tyrannical said:
I would prefer they use psychoactive drugs for interrogation.

That would DEFINITELY fly with the Eighth Amendment.

 

 

Well, what's your preferance? Physical torture or pyschoactive drugs?

Neither is just a cop out answer.

 

Isn't neither the only sensible answer for somebody against torture?



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Playing nice begins and end when terrorist hijack a plane and crash them in different locations and then swear to do it again. You don't get tortured by being a nice guy.  Half of these guys would be dead if we wanted to.   War is War.   I would expect the same would be done with our soldiers.

It's just more left wing bullshit.  "Lets cut the military budget", "Lets cut the national security budget", "Lets cut a significant way of garnering information",   But we're going to  be a safer country!    Reminds me of the whole "Kill Babies, Save Whales".



Rpruett said:

Playing nice begins and end when terrorist hijack a plane and crash them in different locations and then swear to do it again. You don't get tortured by being a nice guy.  Half of these guys would be dead if we wanted to.   War is War.   I would expect the same would be done with our soldiers.

It's just more left wing bullshit.  "Lets cut the military budget", "Lets cut the national security budget", "Lets cut a significant way of garnering information",   But we're going to  be a safer country!    Reminds me of the whole "Kill Babies, Save Whales".

Actually quite a few people do get tortured by being a nice guy, thats the problem with essentially removing habeus corpus and trials for a whole bunch of people. You pick up large numbers of innocents.

I'm guessing you're not actually a fan of the US constitution though?

 



Rath said:
Tyrannical said:

 

Well, what's your preferance? Physical torture or pyschoactive drugs?

Neither is just a cop out answer.

 

Isn't neither the only sensible answer for somebody against torture?

 

You're right, dead right. But dead just the same if you can't get the information out of them.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Rath said:
Rpruett said:

Playing nice begins and end when terrorist hijack a plane and crash them in different locations and then swear to do it again. You don't get tortured by being a nice guy.  Half of these guys would be dead if we wanted to.   War is War.   I would expect the same would be done with our soldiers.

It's just more left wing bullshit.  "Lets cut the military budget", "Lets cut the national security budget", "Lets cut a significant way of garnering information",   But we're going to  be a safer country!    Reminds me of the whole "Kill Babies, Save Whales".

Actually quite a few people do get tortured by being a nice guy, thats the problem with essentially removing habeus corpus and trials for a whole bunch of people. You pick up large numbers of innocents.

I'm guessing you're not actually a fan of the US constitution though?

 

Yawn.  I never said to remove habeus corpus or trials.   The two are separate issues don't ya know?   I love the US constitution.   Then again that doesn't stop the same group of people trying to push their agenda (Anti-Gun ring a bell?) (Which goes directly against the US constitution.)

 



akuma587 said:
You can find people who say Obama is the Antichrist. That doesn't make it true. You can find scientists who say that evolution is a myth. That doesn't make it true.

 

oh?  so you agree that just because some people say its torture doesnt make it torture?  interesting.  i wouldnt have suspected you to take that position.



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