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BTFeather55 on 16 April 2009
theRepublic said:
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Fossil said:
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Hawk said:
BTFeather55 said:

    I guess I have to agree with the believers then.  But even if I give you Mario being superior to Pitfall, I really haven't seen one shred of evidence to contradict the notion that the 2600 had far better shooters coming from the early age of arcade than the shooters that were available on the NES.  Megalomania, Missle Command, Moon Patrol, Atlantis, Yar's Revenge, Centipede, Phoenix, Berzerk, Vanguard, Defender, Space Invaders, Asteroids, River Raid those games were never matched by any shooters on the NES.

     The NES never had a racer the equal of Enduro either.

    So, that still adds up to the 2600 being better than the NES.

No way man.  RC Pro-Am was a far better racer than Enduro.  Not that I didn't like Enduro.

 

      I don't know about that I don't ever remember playing RC Pro Am.  However

http://www.atarihq.com/reviews/2600/enduro.html

 

And much like modern 360 games.  2600 games had achievements (something Nintendo games have always lacked), and if you could beat five days on Enduro and took a pic of it, you could send it off to Actvision and get your patch showing you were a true racer.

 

No, just that you wasted your time.

 

Face it, your entire argument has been disected and disposed of; all you're doing now is changing the focus: "Atari was better because it had a superfouose achivement system and it had better shooters" Ever hear of contra, gradius, life-force?

There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those on the 2600.

There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those in the arcade.

 

 Man, I forget, what console did most of those shooters first appear on in their home version?



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theRepublic on 16 April 2009
BTFeather55 said:
theRepublic said:
BTFeather55 said:
Fossil said:
BTFeather55 said:
Hawk said:
BTFeather55 said:

    I guess I have to agree with the believers then.  But even if I give you Mario being superior to Pitfall, I really haven't seen one shred of evidence to contradict the notion that the 2600 had far better shooters coming from the early age of arcade than the shooters that were available on the NES.  Megalomania, Missle Command, Moon Patrol, Atlantis, Yar's Revenge, Centipede, Phoenix, Berzerk, Vanguard, Defender, Space Invaders, Asteroids, River Raid those games were never matched by any shooters on the NES.

     The NES never had a racer the equal of Enduro either.

    So, that still adds up to the 2600 being better than the NES.

No way man.  RC Pro-Am was a far better racer than Enduro.  Not that I didn't like Enduro.

 

      I don't know about that I don't ever remember playing RC Pro Am.  However

http://www.atarihq.com/reviews/2600/enduro.html

 

And much like modern 360 games.  2600 games had achievements (something Nintendo games have always lacked), and if you could beat five days on Enduro and took a pic of it, you could send it off to Actvision and get your patch showing you were a true racer.

 

No, just that you wasted your time.

 

Face it, your entire argument has been disected and disposed of; all you're doing now is changing the focus: "Atari was better because it had a superfouose achivement system and it had better shooters" Ever hear of contra, gradius, life-force?

There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those on the 2600.

There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those in the arcade.

 

 Man, I forget, what console did most of those shooters first appear on in their home version?

The 2600 did NOT popularize them.  The arcade did.  Read what you wrote.

"There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those on the 2600."



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johnny_ownz on 16 April 2009

i know the nes was not a better system because none are, everyone has different opinions, like i like a ps3 that is MY opinion others like wii and the 360



BTFeather55 on 16 April 2009
theRepublic said:
BTFeather55 said:
theRepublic said:
BTFeather55 said:
Fossil said:
BTFeather55 said:
Hawk said:
BTFeather55 said:

    I guess I have to agree with the believers then.  But even if I give you Mario being superior to Pitfall, I really haven't seen one shred of evidence to contradict the notion that the 2600 had far better shooters coming from the early age of arcade than the shooters that were available on the NES.  Megalomania, Missle Command, Moon Patrol, Atlantis, Yar's Revenge, Centipede, Phoenix, Berzerk, Vanguard, Defender, Space Invaders, Asteroids, River Raid those games were never matched by any shooters on the NES.

     The NES never had a racer the equal of Enduro either.

    So, that still adds up to the 2600 being better than the NES.

No way man.  RC Pro-Am was a far better racer than Enduro.  Not that I didn't like Enduro.

 

      I don't know about that I don't ever remember playing RC Pro Am.  However

http://www.atarihq.com/reviews/2600/enduro.html

 

And much like modern 360 games.  2600 games had achievements (something Nintendo games have always lacked), and if you could beat five days on Enduro and took a pic of it, you could send it off to Actvision and get your patch showing you were a true racer.

 

No, just that you wasted your time.

 

Face it, your entire argument has been disected and disposed of; all you're doing now is changing the focus: "Atari was better because it had a superfouose achivement system and it had better shooters" Ever hear of contra, gradius, life-force?

There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those on the 2600.

There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those in the arcade.

 

 Man, I forget, what console did most of those shooters first appear on in their home version?

The 2600 did NOT popularize them.  The arcade did.  Read what you wrote.

"There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those on the 2600."

 

      The 2600 did popularize them because the 2600 introduced them to a whole new audience of people that wouldn't have had any interest in them without the 2600.  Atari and the arcades had a synergistic relationship (and quite a few of those classic arcade shooters were made by Atari).



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Fossil on 16 April 2009
BTFeather55 said:
theRepublic said:
BTFeather55 said:
theRepublic said:
BTFeather55 said:
Fossil said:
BTFeather55 said:
Hawk said:
BTFeather55 said:

    I guess I have to agree with the believers then.  But even if I give you Mario being superior to Pitfall, I really haven't seen one shred of evidence to contradict the notion that the 2600 had far better shooters coming from the early age of arcade than the shooters that were available on the NES.  Megalomania, Missle Command, Moon Patrol, Atlantis, Yar's Revenge, Centipede, Phoenix, Berzerk, Vanguard, Defender, Space Invaders, Asteroids, River Raid those games were never matched by any shooters on the NES.

     The NES never had a racer the equal of Enduro either.

    So, that still adds up to the 2600 being better than the NES.

No way man.  RC Pro-Am was a far better racer than Enduro.  Not that I didn't like Enduro.

 

      I don't know about that I don't ever remember playing RC Pro Am.  However

http://www.atarihq.com/reviews/2600/enduro.html

 

And much like modern 360 games.  2600 games had achievements (something Nintendo games have always lacked), and if you could beat five days on Enduro and took a pic of it, you could send it off to Actvision and get your patch showing you were a true racer.

 

No, just that you wasted your time.

 

Face it, your entire argument has been disected and disposed of; all you're doing now is changing the focus: "Atari was better because it had a superfouose achivement system and it had better shooters" Ever hear of contra, gradius, life-force?

There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those on the 2600.

There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those in the arcade.

 

 Man, I forget, what console did most of those shooters first appear on in their home version?

The 2600 did NOT popularize them.  The arcade did.  Read what you wrote.

"There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those on the 2600."

 

      The 2600 did popularize them because the 2600 introduced them to a whole new audience of people that wouldn't have had any interest in them without the 2600.  Atari and the arcades had a synergistic relationship (and quite a few of those classic arcade shooters were made by Atari).

How many times are you going to change your argument? The only person here who thinks the atari was better than the NES is you.

 



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BTFeather55 on 16 April 2009
Fossil said:
BTFeather55 said:
theRepublic said:
BTFeather55 said:
theRepublic said:
BTFeather55 said:
Fossil said:
BTFeather55 said:
Hawk said:
BTFeather55 said:

    I guess I have to agree with the believers then.  But even if I give you Mario being superior to Pitfall, I really haven't seen one shred of evidence to contradict the notion that the 2600 had far better shooters coming from the early age of arcade than the shooters that were available on the NES.  Megalomania, Missle Command, Moon Patrol, Atlantis, Yar's Revenge, Centipede, Phoenix, Berzerk, Vanguard, Defender, Space Invaders, Asteroids, River Raid those games were never matched by any shooters on the NES.

     The NES never had a racer the equal of Enduro either.

    So, that still adds up to the 2600 being better than the NES.

No way man.  RC Pro-Am was a far better racer than Enduro.  Not that I didn't like Enduro.

 

      I don't know about that I don't ever remember playing RC Pro Am.  However

http://www.atarihq.com/reviews/2600/enduro.html

 

And much like modern 360 games.  2600 games had achievements (something Nintendo games have always lacked), and if you could beat five days on Enduro and took a pic of it, you could send it off to Actvision and get your patch showing you were a true racer.

 

No, just that you wasted your time.

 

Face it, your entire argument has been disected and disposed of; all you're doing now is changing the focus: "Atari was better because it had a superfouose achivement system and it had better shooters" Ever hear of contra, gradius, life-force?

There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those on the 2600.

There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those in the arcade.

 

 Man, I forget, what console did most of those shooters first appear on in their home version?

The 2600 did NOT popularize them.  The arcade did.  Read what you wrote.

"There wouldn't have been any shooters if it wasn't for the popularity of those on the 2600."

 

      The 2600 did popularize them because the 2600 introduced them to a whole new audience of people that wouldn't have had any interest in them without the 2600.  Atari and the arcades had a synergistic relationship (and quite a few of those classic arcade shooters were made by Atari).

How many times are you going to change your argument? The only person here who thinks the atari was better than the NES is you.

 

 

     And how many of you didn't start seriously playing video games until well after the Crash of '84?  'Nuff Said. 

 



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atma998 on 16 April 2009

Let's face it guys, back in the late 80's the best games were on the NES.

Best Racer : R.C. Pro Am, Rad Racer, Excitebike, Super Off-Road

Best Beat'em up : Double Dragon (1-2-3), Renegade, Mighty Final Fight, River City Ransom

Best RPG : Dragon Warrior (1-2-3-4), Final Fantasy, Crystalis

Best Platformer : Super Mario Bros. (1-2-3), Kid Icarus, Mega Man (1-2-3-4-5-6), Adventure Island (1-2-3), Chip 'n Dale (1-2), Duck Tales (1-2), Ninja Gaiden (1-2-3), Kirby's Adventure

Best Run and Gun : Contra, Super C, Contra Force, Bionic Commando, G.I. Joe, Blaster Master

Best Shoot'em up : 1942, 1943, Gradius, Life Force, Gun.Smoke, Tiger-Heli, Twin Cobra

Best Sport : Ice Hockey, Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!, Tecmo Super Bowl, R.B.I. Baseball, Baseball Stars

Best Strategy : Nobunaga's Ambition (1-2), Romance of the Three Kingdoms (1-2), Genghis Khan, Uncharted Waters



Hawk on 16 April 2009
BTFeather55 said:

     And how many of you didn't start seriously playing video games until well after the Crash of '84?  'Nuff Said. 

 

I played well before the crash myself.  Though, somehow I don't think that makes my opinions Absolute.



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Fossil on 16 April 2009
BTFeather55 said:

 

     And how many of you didn't start seriously playing video games until well after the Crash of '84?  'Nuff Said. 

 

 

The "you had to have been there, man..." argument was already defeated. Acording to your logic, I have no right to claim Alien as one of my favorite movies because I never saw it in theaters.



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BTFeather55 on 16 April 2009
Hawk said:
BTFeather55 said:

     And how many of you didn't start seriously playing video games until well after the Crash of '84?  'Nuff Said. 

 

I played well before the crash myself.  Though, somehow I don't think that makes my opinions Absolute.

 

      Well, you would have been 9 during the crash which means you probably didn't play them that much before the crash occurred.  There is the chance that the NES just made a bigger impression on you with its better graphics, etc.I was 12 in 1984, and I received my 2600 when I was eight, and I read most of the big game magazines of the day, so the games I wanted were generally the most critically appreciated of the time.

     I think you would get the following results if you conducted a poll of video game players to get their opinion on what was the greatest video gme system ever made.

36 and older with experience playing most of the games from the Golden Age of Videogames (1979 to 1983) Atari 2600

35 to 30 Atari 2600 or NES

30 and below one of Nintendo's or Sony's systems with the xbox getting a lot of votes as well.

      



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