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ChichiriMuyo said:
Well, friedtofu, as I've said about a dozen times I'm hoping to figure out how people thought through the decision making process. I can read how bad the game is for hours, but what I can't read is whether the reviewer was upset about getting instead of anothe or if he spent a good deal of time on it or if he doesn't like flying games to begin with.

Whether or not someone likes the game itself irrelevant. Whether or not they like the genre is. The time it took to make the decision (which for some people is 0 playtime) is important. A number grade or complaints about specific issues in the game are not.

 Actually, those are some of the most important parts.

I'm guessing this is the kind of review you want:

 


I'm johnny gamer turned reviewer and I love flying games.  What could make a flying game bette?  Dragons.  I love dragons.  love love love.  I played this game for 10 hours but that or what I thought of the game doesn't matter because I love flying and dragons.  HOORAY.

This is what most people care about:


hi, Jim reviewer and I play games for a living.  Flying games may or may not be my cup of tea but I'm good  at finding good and bad things a like and  communicating those things well.  I played Lair and since I'm a reviewer I played it all the way through and while it was pretty and had a great soundtrack, it had many probelms. --insert problems here, look at any review to find them--.   Like I said, I may or may not like flying games, but I know good and I know bad and this is bad.

Does that seem about right? Or would like it even more simplified by saying that people that like flying games and/or dragons and haven't heard any of the reviews will probably give this game a go?



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ChichiriMuyo said:

I realize that most people are not reading the actual question and understanding it. If it was clearly understood, people would have actually answerd it. Re-wording what I've stated in an attempt to get people to answer the actual questions doesn't change them.


 It's not that I don't understand it, it's just not a good question.  You're asking if people that like x games would like this game of x type if it was good.  What do you think is going to be the answer?



I think most people understand your question, ChichiriMuyo. You're just being incredibly hostile is all. People don't post in threads when the original poster is simply demanding information like how many minutes until you realized you loved or hated a game.



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"I'm guessing this is the kind of review you want:"

As I've said, I don't want a review. I want to know if Jim likes flying games. That IS important, because if Jim doesn't like flying games then he'll quite likely be more critical of a flying game.

And I do want to know how far Jim played into it, because most reviewers don't play a game all the way through. Most of them don't have the time to play every game they review to the end. Many reviews have actually been busted on it. So I want some straight forwardness on how long a person actually played. Jim doesn't say he played to the end, you just expect him to.

And whether or not Jim liked the soundtrack or the graphics is, really, irrelevant if he already has his bias. If he doesn't want to fly a dragon when he could be shooting his friends with a machine gun in some other game that does influence his thoughts about the game.

So I want to know what influence he has. I got Jim's opinion about the game, now where's all this about Jim being up front about what games he likes and how much time he spent on it?



You do not have the right to never be offended.

Honestly I knew i was never going to Buy LAIR from day 1 as I knew I wanted warhawk more as i was a big fan of the Original on PS1. Now that both are out I bought Warhawk BR version and rented LAIR to see what all the bad reviews were about. after playing a few missions all i can say is.
What game were they playing. I have played truly bad games that deserve 5 out of 10 and this is not one of them.

I honestly rate this game a 7.7 as its definatly not flawless. The only problem is that its it can get repetitive at times.



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What is wrong with asking other people how a game is? There have been plenty of games out there in the past that didn't receive perfect reviews but have been phenomenal games. Some games just take getting used to our overlooking certain things. Red Steel for instance. The OP is just asking how people felt about the game after they played it and their expectations.

Xenosaga II is my favorite example. Has a 73 on metacritic, but personally I think it is better than I or III which both received high to mid 80's. I simply had to play the game for myself before I found out that the reviewers were too harsh with the game.

As someone else already mentioned, many of the people bashing Lair would support Mario Party 8 even though it got slammed by the critics and even though it is little more than Mario Party 7 with waggle controls. It is not like it filled a new niche or anything either because it is a minigame game, something the Wii has plenty of.



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grimygunz said:
Honestly I knew i was never going to Buy LAIR from day 1 as I knew I wanted warhawk more as i was a big fan of the Original on PS1. Now that both are out I bought Warhawk BR version and rented LAIR to see what all the bad reviews were about. after playing a few missions all i can say is.
What game were they playing. I have played truly bad games that deserve 5 out of 10 and this is not one of them.

I honestly rate this game a 7.7 as its definatly not flawless. The only problem is that its it can get repetitive at times.

 

Now THIS is exactly the sort of response I'm looking for.  He says he liked Warhawk, so we know he likes flying games.  He says he had lower expectations of LAIR, but they weren't very poor.  He says he played it during a rental, so now I know about how much time he had with it.  And on top of that, he even gives a mini-review and score.

Thank you, sir.



You do not have the right to never be offended.

If a person typically likes flying games, but disliked Lair, what does that imply? That Lair could have been more enjoyable to that person if it was a better game?

If a person typically likes flying games, and liked Lair, what does that imply? That pretty much no matter what the score, Lair will appeal to fans of flying games?

If a person typically dislikes flying games, and disliked Lair, what does that imply? That the person clearly doesn't like Lair simply because it's a flying game?

If a person typically dislikes flying games, but liked Lair, what does that imply? That Lair is so amazing, it convinces players to like a game in a genre they don't typically like?

What good does any of those answers do you? You'll be getting one of these four answers from anybody who answers your question correctly...but who cares? It's all inferring conclusions based on one person's experience with this game...what are you trying to get out of them?



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ChichiriMuyo said:
grimygunz said:
Honestly I knew i was never going to Buy LAIR from day 1 as I knew I wanted warhawk more as i was a big fan of the Original on PS1. Now that both are out I bought Warhawk BR version and rented LAIR to see what all the bad reviews were about. after playing a few missions all i can say is.
What game were they playing. I have played truly bad games that deserve 5 out of 10 and this is not one of them.

I honestly rate this game a 7.7 as its definatly not flawless. The only problem is that its it can get repetitive at times.

 

Now THIS is exactly the sort of response I'm looking for. He says he liked Warhawk, so we know he likes flying games. He says he had lower expectations of LAIR, but they weren't very poor. He says he played it during a rental, so now I know about how much time he had with it. And on top of that, he even gives a mini-review and score.

Thank you, sir.


 You said you DIDN'T want reviews or scores!  I'm done with this thread, when you're done with your personal study, let the forum know.



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BenKenobi88 said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
grimygunz said:
Honestly I knew i was never going to Buy LAIR from day 1 as I knew I wanted warhawk more as i was a big fan of the Original on PS1. Now that both are out I bought Warhawk BR version and rented LAIR to see what all the bad reviews were about. after playing a few missions all i can say is.
What game were they playing. I have played truly bad games that deserve 5 out of 10 and this is not one of them.

I honestly rate this game a 7.7 as its definatly not flawless. The only problem is that its it can get repetitive at times.

 

Now THIS is exactly the sort of response I'm looking for. He says he liked Warhawk, so we know he likes flying games. He says he had lower expectations of LAIR, but they weren't very poor. He says he played it during a rental, so now I know about how much time he had with it. And on top of that, he even gives a mini-review and score.

Thank you, sir.


You said you DIDN'T want reviews or scores! I'm done with this thread, when you're done with your personal study, let the forum know.


 He didn't want reviews or scores from review sites.  He wanted something equivalent from a regular Joe like you or me.  I think you misunderstood what he was asking for.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson