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It seems like the best choice for you.

I'm not sure exactly what Nintendo did different this gen from the GC gen, but it appears to be losing a fair bit of "old school Nintendo fans"  (I'm not saying it matters to Nintendo, but it sure as hell matters to them). 

It could have something to do with this.

 

Created situation (Nintendo games only, no 3rd parties)

 

Gamecube has 8 games you own and enjoy, at the time of 2.5 years into the gen.

It has 15 games you could buy, but you're not really that interested.

It has 8 games you have no interest in.

 

Wii has 7 games you own and enjoy.

It has 13 games you could buy, but they're not that interesting.

It has 20 games you have no interest in at all.

 

The last group (bottom of each) has definitely gotten more games they're interested in. (I'm grouping them up in 3, but this is a bit silly to be frank).

The middle group hasn't really changed a lot. It has fewer in its "perfect range", but more in its "easy range".

The top group (you) has lost a tiny bit, but not that much. Still, as everyone else (on Wii) has more interesting games than you, you feel you're being left out a bit.

 

... That was kinda crappy, wasn't it? I didn't really make my point very well I'm afraid.



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Majin-Tenshinhan said:
darthdevidem01 said:
ameratsu said:
Soriku said:

Still, we've heard this story so many times now. But to me though I believe that most people who say stuff like this don't know much of the line up. What do you think about this?

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=34940&page=1

 

That's a nice list, but it's misleading. It gives a good global overview of what's coming out on the Wii, but region to region the games Wii owners will actually get to play from that list will vary.

 

ditto! why the f*** didn'tninty make it region free like SONY made the PS3

I'm sick of waiting for months n months for a carbon copy of the NA version I mean in the end the UK version is just like the NA version delay it for mainland EU not for us!

But my main complaign is it not being region free &/or localisation times something which ONLY MS has toned down....but SONY is fine there as Ps3 is region free.

Nintendo may have casuals this gen but the fact remains & will always remain this gen is the only one where the leading console doesn't have the best games for te core gaming group....not me every major gaming site says this

 

Well, I'm not happy about region locks either, but are Sony really the best example? They made their hardware region free and then shut down one of the biggest import sites as a warning that they shouldn't ship their games overseas, and have since forbid anyone to ship their japanese releases outside of Asia etc.

 

Ok... are you talking about lik-sang? AFAIK, sony shut them down because they were selling ps2 modchips. Still pissed a lot of people off. Also, the PS1 and PS2 were region locked so you couldn't just import any game, as ps1/ps2s required modchips to play import games. The last part you mention isn't true (might of been true at some point) as there are many import shops that sell japanese/asian ps2/ps3 games all over the world.

some examples:

ncsx ps3

play-asia ps3

play-asia ps2

My original point remains. The "Wii games in 2009" thread is misleading as it doesn't specify confirmed regions. It's just a general overview of global wii releases, not the actual list of wii games you'll be playing this year. The context in which Soriku provided the thread to the OP was also misleading.

 



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I feel good with Nintendo right now. For me, the best choice is to continue being a N fan. But that's your chice. Hope your'e right.



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Ok, so there's a lot of posts and it would be really hard and time consuming to answer every angle and question so I'll try to sum it up in my post and better explain.

First, I chose the word "fanboy" for a reason. I grew up and loved Nintendo and almost resented anybody that challenged them. As you can see, I've owned all their consoles and a few of their handhelds. At the same time, I rarely considered any other console. The only other consoles I owned were Sega Genesis and Dreamcast and both were clearance items well past their prime and no threat to Nintendo. This is how I'm different now.

It's not that I would never buy a Nintendo system again, I just probably wouldn't buy one again first before the competition. If Nintendo stays on this course, they would be my second choice behind either Microsoft or Sony. I would've never done that before. I don't hate Nintendo and I'm very happy for their success. I just think that some of you diehard Nintendo fans are kidding yourselves. Their gaming lineup isn't nearly as good as their older generations. And that's not just speaking of 3rd party games but their own games as well.

If you look at the Nintendo published games, only Zelda, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Super Smash Brothers Brawl and Mario Kart stand out. All the rest of their games are fun, some are unique and original but I wouldn't call any of the rest great games. And that great list of games I mentioned above, well the last one released a year ago. Where was our selection of games during Christmas? What about this year? We have Punch Out to look ahead to and that's it that I know of. Sure Wii Sports 2 will be good and a lot of fun playing with friends and family but for most gamers, is that the type of thing that will you'll be playing for hours at a time by yourself in the same way you would a hardcore game?

I'd hope the announcement(s) at E3 would be something to look forward to but at this point, I doubt it. Something I liked about other generations was the fact that Nintendo tried to give us games that fit in with what was popular. In the 16 bit era, fighting games were very popular so they came up with Killer Instinct through Rare. Later FPS games were popular along with survial horror so they gave us Metroid Prime and Eternal Darkness respectively. This generation, we got Metroid Prime along with sequels in a few of their popular series but other than those few, it's been all family games. The fact that they outright denied many regions Disaster:Day of Crisis and now Fatal Frame 4 doesn't help matters.

I know a few questioned how I can only now become less interested in Nintendo with the Wii if I had no problem during the GC gen. It's simple, Nintendo tried to still give us great games, either their own or with the deal they signed with Capcom. Sure that deal didn't work so well but at least we got three excellent RE games (RE1, RE0 and RE4 being considered one of the best games ever). Silicon Knights worked on Metal Gear Solid so that was an excellent game we got and I was never really bored with my selection of games but yet it didn't compare to PS2 and yes, this was where I lost a little faith in Nintendo.

One thing about the Gamecube though was that it was technologically competitive with PS2 and Xbox so any game made for those could also be released for GC. This gen, they chose to go a different direction which I understand their reasons but it hurts them for keeping the hardcore gamers because we know we won't see games like Metal Gear 4, Resident Evil 5, Street Fighter 4 or anything on par with Gears of War, Killzone 2. It's also the fact that Nintendo hasn't even tried to give us anything hardcore lately. And yes, I blame them for 3rd party not trying to either.

Since the first Nintendo system, 3rd party as well as their competiton has tried to copy Nintendo's strategy. So if Nintendo is going to release a lot of party games and they're successful, that's what we're going to get from 3rd party as well. And as always, 3rd party rarely matches Nintendo's quality so what we get is a bunch of crap. At least when companies couldn't match the quality of a Nintendo game, they might come close and we could still get some gems. How many great party games have we gotten? Not many but we sure do have a lot them anyway.

There are too many points to be made and too much to say and I know I'm already rambling. My main point is that Nintendo isn't what they used to be and there's no point lying to yourself. I don't truly believe that any gamer over the age of 20 is having as much fun playing the Wii as they did back in the NES, SNES, N64 era. To me in all honesty, if I want to play similar style games advanced for today, it would have to be Xbox 360 or PS3. I can only hope that Nintendo decides and tries to reach out to their traditional gamers once again while still hitting their family market.



I'll come up with something better eventually...

Your problem is that Nintendo hasn't grown with their old audience. Nintendo hasn't changed: you have.

 

Which i'm not saying to be at all mean or vindictive or anything, that's just the truth of the matter. The you of 20 years ago that was so in love with them was a very different person. Your needs changed, their development didn't. I really feel that the new Nintendo is really just a reversion to the NES-era Nintendo: bold, experimental, pushing genres and throwing out lots of crazy ideas. People complained that the GC-era Nintendo was stale because they were, relying purely on their old fanbase and nostalgia

 

This answer can be applied to your case and pretty much all the other cases of all these people making these grand statements of why Nintendo is no longer for them. They abandoned you, yes, because they refused to grow with you. All the other console companies, and 3rd party publishers, have been developing for you, for your generation specifically, as a moving target, as your tastes grew, they grew to accommodate you, Nintendo ignored that, which got them nailed with the kiddie stigma, and is now seeing this feeling of mass abandonment.



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Mr Khan said:

Your problem is that Nintendo hasn't grown with their old audience. Nintendo hasn't changed: you have.

Excatly, people usually forget this:

http://www.gamersgraveyard.com/repository/nes/peripherals/images/family-fitness-box-back.jpg

and this:

http://www.jwnyc.com/games/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/nes02.jpg

Nintendo has always been like that (probably they tried to change on the GC era but didn't work that well)

 



Firstly, 2006-2007 were awesome in terms of 1st party releases. Metroid, Mario, Zelda, Excite Truck all so close together. Lately, however, I've been buying mainly Sega games on the Nintendo console. Mario Kart was good but not great. After that, Nintendo has released nothing great.

I still think that the wii was a great idea. I still think Nintendo has plans for the future and I don't count them out. 2008 was a pretty disappointing year for first party support and 2009 has started off slow too. Punch out is something to look forwards too.

I'm not interested in Animal Crossing and I'll be honest, I just didn't enjoy the DS zelda as much as previous Zeldas. I will say that Spirit Tracks looks better though.

I do see it as a threat that Wii Fit has sold so well. Will Nintendo forget about its long time fans? But I give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt. I think Nintendo respects its long time fans too much to ignore them.



KylieDog said:
kylohk said:
^I am focusing on the final paragraph here. My argument is that people who support a company during its "weakest" days should be the first to jump in joy when it leads the market again.

Otherwise it's like "being an Arsenal fan and whining to no end when they (eventually) win the premier league because "only one English player is in the regular starting lineup".

Either that or most of those self defined Nintendo fanboys are plastic fans or worse.

 

Why?  People supported Nintendo during the weaker days for the sole reason that they made kickass games, this gen they don't.  This gen they use the same IPs but the quality of games has gone down.  This may make them a big hit with casuals but the reason I liked them doesn't exist this gen.

 

 

To who posted about Nintendo not changing...just the gamer.  Sorry that is crap.  Their games have been dumbed down or had the difficulty majorly decreased.

Proof, please. Maybe i just suck horribly, but i found Mario Kart Wii just as difficult as Double Dash (and slightly moreso than DS), Mario Galaxy was on the level with Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime 3 was easier than MP2, but most can agree that's a good thing, and MP3 was also level with MP1. Twilight Princess's dungeons were more confusing than WindWaker's, even if there was less danger in combat, Radiant Dawn was a good 2-3x harder than Path of Radiance, and many of the achievements in Brawl are harder than the hardest of what Melee had to offer.

 



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

"All the whores and politicians will look up and shout, "Damnit Nintendo cater to my needs and mine only,"... and I'll look down and whisper, "No."

My usual line to enter some form of whining but yea. Hey no one this generation should really own a single console anyways if you want to call yourself a "traditional" gamer so I'm glad ya stretched out. If ya don't like what Nintendo has to offer then just don't torture yourself with them. You do have a choice. This is a free market with competitors. I disagree that Nintendo has dropped anywhere in status, but that's opinions clashing.



KylieDog said:

Why?  People supported Nintendo during the weaker days for the sole reason that they made kickass games, this gen they don't.  This gen they use the same IPs but the quality of games has gone down.  This may make them a big hit with casuals but the reason I liked them doesn't exist this gen

Wich games? Mario Sunshine? Galaxy's better, Luigi's Mansion? no thanks, Wind Waker? Twilight Princess is better; Geist? forget it. Fire Emblem? Radiant Dawn is much better (and got better sales); Mario Kart? Wii version if better, Mario Srtikers, Metroid Prime and the list goes.

Let's face it, Nintendo release almost 60 games for the gamecube but honestly the wii intinerations of their main franchises are better; now think about all the new IP that Nintendo pop during the GC days:

Odama, Chibi Robo, Geist, Eternal Darkness, Baten Kaitos, Pikmin.

Pikmin is a no brainer in the Wii, Odama was quite bad and had terrible sales, Chibi Robo was ignored by everyone, Eternal Darkness was good but didn't catch the sales, Baiten Kaitos is good but had terrible sales and Gesit was good on paper but bad in execution.