Esa-Petteri said:
What makes those shooters "the same game"? Is every platformer,racer and rpg "the same game" too? |
Hmm, first everyone is complaining that fps are all the same and now there's so much difference?
Esa-Petteri said:
What makes those shooters "the same game"? Is every platformer,racer and rpg "the same game" too? |
Hmm, first everyone is complaining that fps are all the same and now there's so much difference?
| Hyperion said: Um....I didn't get the joke? Okie Ined2lrn |
Forgive me. I read it again, I see what you did there. Some people will never get the joke (see: me).
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
sparkit34 said:
Sorry MontanaHatchet, but i am a bit offended by your remark. I never stated that the Wii audience was superior, I simply made an observation that many of the top million sellers on the X360 are yearly updates of the same game, a point that can refute. I also stated that this is of lesser extent on the Wii, which again, is true. I simply stated the facts, and offered no opinion as to the superiority of one gamer or console over another. I would also like to mention that just about every gaming site is filled with 90% non Wii users who constantly complain that the Wii has no good games, that third parties don't sell on the Wii, that the Wii is a fad, that the Wii is last gen, that the Wimote is a gimmick, that Nintendo destroyed the video game market, etc. etc. etc. Mostly, i see Nintendo fans argue for the same level of respect as the other consoles, not for more respect. NB. On this site i see it to a lesser extent, probably because there is a more equal distribution of console owners. But lets be honest MontanaHatchet. If you comment anytime someone shows a bias toward a system, i am surprised that the forum is not filled with comments by you telling X360 owners and PS3 owners (along with Wii owners) to stop acting superior. My arguments offer at least some level of foundation, unlike most other user comments.
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I'm offended by your comments. That's why I wrote this response. Of course you never outright stated the Wii audience is superior, but you definitely implied it. Stating that an audience likes to play the same game over and over again is not a charming notion, especially when it's not true (at least not any more true than for any other audience). I explained to you why the 360 has this situation. It's because it's been out a year longer and has had more opportunity for these sequels to come out. The PS2 and PS1 are full of high selling sequels, does that mean that those audiences don't like variety, or that they like to play the same games over and over? No. It means that the system has established franchises that many people trust and buy when the next iteration comes out. The second paragraph doesn't matter to me because it has nothing to do with anything. You want to complain about people hating on the Wii? Complain about people hating on the PS3 or 360 too.
I don't comment any time someone shows bias towards a system. However, I do comment when I feel like it in threads where I see it. That's the magic of a forum. By the way, if you're trying to paint me as bias, you'd do well to look at yourself first. You won't see me bothering PS3 and 360 owners that insult the Wii because I don't take them seriously. Most of their comments are nothing more than bad cliches or trolling attempts that I won't even dignify. Your comments are a load of pretentious crap and they're not even accurate, so I felt like arguing against them. If you can't even defend your own points than that's your problem.
I thought Gears of War was third party....
NOTE: you should edit the list with a note saying: USA sales only.
| The said: I thought Gears of War was third party.... NOTE: you should edit the list with a note saying: USA sales only. |
MS published the series. That makes it 1st party.
The rEVOLution is not being televised
It's kind of funny the top 3rd party Wii game has Mario in the title.
Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
— Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire
Viper1 said:
MS published the series. That makes it 1st party. |
If that's your only reason, sorry but you're wrong. Just to mention another game published by MS in the same 360: Ninja Gaiden 2 wants a word with you.
The year head start is key. Lets try looking at just those games that were released in 2008 onwards to see how this third party support is developing.
Games released since 01 Jan 2008:
| Nintendo | ||||
| 4 | Guitar Hero: World Tour | 2008 | Activision | 2.83m |
| 7 | Game Party | 2008 | Midway Games | 1.97m |
| 8 | Deca Sports | 2008 | Hudson Entertainment | 1.82m |
| 15 | We Ski | 2008 | Namco Bandai | 1.35m |
| 16 | Rayman Raving Rabbids: TV Party | 2008 | Ubisoft | 1.33m |
| 18 | Rock Band | 2008 | MTV Games | 1.30m |
| 20 | Star Wars: The Force Unleashed | 2008 | LucasArts | 1.23m |
| 24 | Big Beach Sports | 2008 | THQ | 1.19m |
| 27 | Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures | 2008 | LucasArts | 1.14m |
| 28 | Shaun White Snowboarding: Road Trip | 2008 | Ubisoft | 1.13m |
| 29 | Call of Duty: World at War | 2008 | Activision Blizzard | 1.07m |
| 30 | Tiger Woods PGA Tour 09 All-Play | 2008 | Electronic Arts | 1.07m |
| 31 | Active Life: Outdoor Challenge | 2008 | Namco Bandai | 1.04m |
| Microsoft | ||||
| 1 | Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare | 2008 | Activision | 7.25m |
| 2 | Grand Theft Auto IV | 2008 | Rockstar Games | 6.97m |
| 3 | Call of Duty: World at War | 2008 | Activision Blizzard | 5.28m |
| 6 | Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures | 2008 | LucasArts | 3.22m |
| 7 | Kung Fu Panda | 2008 | Activision | 2.80m |
| 15 | Madden NFL 09 | 2008 | Electronic Arts | 2.27m |
| 16 | Fallout 3 | 2008 | Bethesda Softworks | 2.27m |
| 19 | Left 4 Dead | 2008 | Electronic Arts | 2.08m |
| 21 | Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 | 2008 | Ubisoft | 1.97m |
| 22 | Sega Superstars Tennis | 2008 | Sega | 1.96m |
| 27 | Guitar Hero: World Tour | 2008 | Activision | 1.89m |
| 28 | FIFA Soccer 09 | 2008 | Electronic Arts | 1.77m |
| 30 | Star Wars: The Force Unleashed | 2008 | LucasArts | 1.67m |
| 33 | Rock Band 2 | 2008 | MTV Games | 1.56m |
| 34 | Resident Evil 5 | 2008 | Capcom | 1.50m |
| 35 | Army of Two | 2008 | Electronic Arts | 1.45m |
| 39 | Far Cry 2 | 2008 | Ubisoft | 1.35m |
| 41 | Saints Row 2 | 2008 | THQ | 1.31m |
| 42 | Need for Speed: Undercover | 2008 | Electronic Arts | 1.26m |
| 45 | Soul Calibur IV | 2008 | Namco Bandai | 1.14m |
| 47 | Devil May Cry 4 | 2008 | Capcom | 1.11m |
| 48 | Battlefield: Bad Company | 2008 | Electronic Arts | 1.10m |
| Sony | ||||
| 1 | Grand Theft Auto IV | 2008 | Rockstar Games | 5.55m |
| 2 | Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare | 2008 | Activision | 4.19m |
| 3 | Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots | 2008 | Konami | 3.91m |
| 5 | Call of Duty: World at War | 2008 | Activision Blizzard | 3.16m |
| 6 | FIFA Soccer 09 | 2008 | Electronic Arts | 2.10m |
| 7 | PES 2009: Pro Evolution Soccer | 2008 | Konami | 1.92m |
| 11 | Resident Evil 5 | 2008 | Capcom | 1.65m |
| 13 | Madden NFL 09 | 2008 | Electronic Arts | 1.56m |
| 14 | Fallout 3 | 2008 | Bethesda | 1.36m |
| 15 | Devil May Cry 4 | 2008 | Capcom | 1.26m |
| 16 | Need for Speed: Undercover | 2008 | Electronic Arts | 1.25m |
| 17 | Star Wars: The Force Unleashed | 2008 | LucasArts | 1.15m |
| 18 | Guitar Hero: World Tour | 2008 | Activision | 1.14m |
| 20 | Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 | 2008 | Ubisoft | 1.08m |
Third party Million Sellers since 01-Jan-08
| Microsoft | Sony | Nintendo | |
| Since 2008 | 22 | 14 | 13 |
| Total | 50 | 20 | 32 |
| 2008 % of Total | 44 | 70 | 41 |
As you can see, with 70% of Sony's third party million sellers releasing in the last 15 months, they are the company with greatest increasing third party sales momentum. Microsoft is selling more software and in absolute terms, maintains the strongest third party support, but Sony's figures show they are beginning to increase rapidly.
This is precisely why Microsoft is finding it hard to buy third party exclusives of late.
noname2200 said:
Fixed to reflect reality. Plus, the 360 has way more games despite its smaller userbase. :)))))))
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Rofl. Epic post.
Unfortunately, quite a few of those Wii million sellers are utter crap. Some are very good, though.