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Onyxmeth on 10 April 2009
shio said:
"achievements" have existed on games since the dawn of time, way before Microsoft started using them, so I can't even see your argument.

How many games had unlockable achievements before Microsoft started this? A handful maybe? How many platforms had mandatory achievements that connected the achievements of all games through a central system? The only three systems I know of in existence are the achievements system on 360, the trohy system on PS3, and the achievement system on Steam. I know PS3 came last(hehe...that sounded dirty). When did Steam do theirs?

 



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shio on 10 April 2009
Onyxmeth said:
shio said:
"achievements" have existed on games since the dawn of time, way before Microsoft started using them, so I can't even see your argument.

How many games had unlockable achievements before Microsoft started this? A handful maybe? How many platforms had mandatory achievements that connected the achievements of all games through a central system? The only three systems I know of in existence are the achievements system on 360, the trohy system on PS3, and the achievement system on Steam. I know PS3 came last(hehe...that sounded dirty). When did Steam do theirs?

 

So you agree that Microsoft didn't invent achievements then?



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Jeronimo66 on 10 April 2009
Orca_Azure said:
Eventually ideas all merge together. Companies- regardless of which kind- copy and alter winning strategies. If you let the fanboys annoy you then they've won ;

I am not trying to annoy anybody, It just seems that when Microsoft does something good, they are still the evil company everybody must hate.

 



Signalstar on 10 April 2009
Jeronimo66 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Microsoft copied Sony with the Vision Camera, Lips, etc. Companies copy winning strategies.

 

 Yes you are right but, vision games are not an industry standard achievements are.

Achievements are a must vision camera games are not.

 


If they are an industry standard then why are they absent from the most popular console and handheld ie, the industry leaders? Yes Sony stole the idea and they know it everyone knows it but Sony heard people bitching on the internet how PSN sucked because it didn't have achievements and decided to end that argument.

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HanzoTheRazor on 10 April 2009
shio said:
"achievements" have existed on games since the dawn of time, way before Microsoft started using them, so I can't even see your argument.

^^ This is spot on!

Playing and finishing games first>>>>>>>>>>Then talking!

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ssj12 on 10 April 2009
Onyxmeth said:
shio said:
"achievements" have existed on games since the dawn of time, way before Microsoft started using them, so I can't even see your argument.

How many games had unlockable achievements before Microsoft started this? A handful maybe? How many platforms had mandatory achievements that connected the achievements of all games through a central system? The only three systems I know of in existence are the achievements system on 360, the trohy system on PS3, and the achievement system on Steam. I know PS3 came last(hehe...that sounded dirty). When did Steam do theirs?

 

 

When was Steamworks released?

 

and so while Microsoft was the first one to make a unified system you just confirmed yourself that they just improved upon a preexisting idea. Just like how Sony has improved upon the achievement system making it feel more RPG-ish with the gamer level system versus basing it all around how many points they have.



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Jeronimo66 on 10 April 2009
Signalstar said:
Jeronimo66 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Microsoft copied Sony with the Vision Camera, Lips, etc. Companies copy winning strategies.

 

 Yes you are right but, vision games are not an industry standard achievements are.

Achievements are a must vision camera games are not.

 

 

If they are an industry standard then why are they absent from the most popular console and handheld ie, the industry leaders? Yes Sony stole the idea and they know it everyone knows it but Sony heard people bitching on the internet how PSN sucked because it didn't have achievements and decided to end that argument.

Because the Wii is not competing directly with the 360 I think.

 



MontanaHatchet on 10 April 2009
Jeronimo66 said:
Signalstar said:
Jeronimo66 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Microsoft copied Sony with the Vision Camera, Lips, etc. Companies copy winning strategies.

 

 Yes you are right but, vision games are not an industry standard achievements are.

Achievements are a must vision camera games are not.

 

 

If they are an industry standard then why are they absent from the most popular console and handheld ie, the industry leaders? Yes Sony stole the idea and they know it everyone knows it but Sony heard people bitching on the internet how PSN sucked because it didn't have achievements and decided to end that argument.

Because the Wii is not competing directly with the 360 I think.

 

Bwa ha ha ha ha. You are so wrong on every point.

 



 

 

HanzoTheRazor on 11 April 2009

Achivements are just "High Scores", really. Now, how long have high score games been around? I remember the draw card for me to play my first arcade games was beating that persons high score, and I never gave up till I did. Gallaga, 1942, Space Invaders etc, etc getting my name and score into those machines memory for all time was a joy.

So, what is really the BIG difference with M$ achivements?



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Opinions are subjective and just like moods, can change.

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Onyxmeth on 11 April 2009
ssj12 said:
Onyxmeth said:
shio said:
"achievements" have existed on games since the dawn of time, way before Microsoft started using them, so I can't even see your argument.

How many games had unlockable achievements before Microsoft started this? A handful maybe? How many platforms had mandatory achievements that connected the achievements of all games through a central system? The only three systems I know of in existence are the achievements system on 360, the trohy system on PS3, and the achievement system on Steam. I know PS3 came last(hehe...that sounded dirty). When did Steam do theirs?

 

 

When was Steamworks released?

 

and so while Microsoft was the first one to make a unified system you just confirmed yourself that they just improved upon a preexisting idea. Just like how Sony has improved upon the achievement system making it feel more RPG-ish with the gamer level system versus basing it all around how many points they have.

That was a legitimate question, not an argumentive "shove it in your face" one. I really don't know when Steam started their cross game achievements system. If they came first then I'll give them all the credit in the world. If it came after MS's then I won't.

@shio-If you ever feel like giving my reply to you a legitimate response that addresses the points I made, I'll be happy to shoot the shit with you over it. However, that response you gave me was worthless and frankly uncharacteristic of you. You aren't always correct but at least you give an effort. That was merely laziness.

 



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