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BMaker11 said:
Khuutra said:
BMaker11 said:
Blame Wii Fit.....literally this time

Now, now clarify for me, I just wanna make sure, I think you are blaming Wii Fit for the influx of buyers who would purchase games that appeal to value sets which are not congruent with your own, or what some might call "shovelware".

Is that about right, that you're saying Wii owners buy crappy games? Am I on the level, here?

Not that they buy crappy games....just not what we consider "core" games. Then Nintendo has to refocus what games come to their console, so we see more games to the tune of Wii Fit (in terms of appeal), than we do the likes of MadWorld.

Sure, MadWorld is "niche" and Wii Fit appeals to a larger audience, which is why Wii Fit sold a billion and MadWorld didn't. But realizing this, why would Nintendo invest more in "core" games instead of games with larger appeal?

Nintendo doesn't control how many third party core games are made on its system: they are makignn the same games they always have, plus stuff for the mainstream.

Why? Because it's a steady source of income, and it's those buyers that kept them afloat during the Gamecube days. Nintendo knows the value of what loyalty it is possible to buy up.



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BMaker11 said:

Sure, MadWorld is "niche" and Wii Fit appeals to a larger audience, which is why Wii Fit sold a billion and MadWorld didn't. But realizing this, why would Nintendo invest more in "core" games instead of games with larger appeal?

 

Because they sell?



Megadude said:

[...] 2 years and three months later I can count the number of great Wii games on one hand [...]

1. Super Mario Galaxy

2. SSBB

3. Metroid Prime 3

4. Zack & Wiki

5. No More Heroes

6. De Blob

7. Super Paper Mario

8. RE : Umbrella Chronicles

9. Madworld

10. Fire Emblem : Radiant Dawn

11. House of the Dead : Overkill

 

There; I gave you more games than you can count with both hands. Go buy them.

 



routsounmanman said:
Megadude said:

[...] 2 years and three months later I can count the number of great Wii games on one hand [...]

1. Super Mario Galaxy

2. SSBB

3. Metroid Prime 3

4. Zack & Wiki

5. No More Heroes

6. De Blob

7. Super Paper Mario

8. RE : Umbrella Chronicles

9. Madworld

10. Fire Emblem : Radiant Dawn

11. House of the Dead : Overkill

 

There; I gave you more games than you can count with both hands. Go buy them.

Agreed. Even for someone like me whose Wii is their third console, I have more than 10 games for it.



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routsounmanman said:
Megadude said:

[...] 2 years and three months later I can count the number of great Wii games on one hand [...]

1. Super Mario Galaxy

2. SSBB

3. Metroid Prime 3

4. Zack & Wiki

5. No More Heroes

6. De Blob

7. Super Paper Mario

8. RE : Umbrella Chronicles

9. Madworld

10. Fire Emblem : Radiant Dawn

11. House of the Dead : Overkill

 

There; I gave you more games than you can count with both hands. Go buy them.

 

And the upcoming games looks awesome.

 

Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment 2 and The Conduit. Just to name a few :)

 



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^Be warned, the OP may suddenly say that there are enough to count with his toes as well....

Seriously though, that guy reminds me of another user on the Wii board on GameFAQs, who brags about his "superb debating skills" while annoying anyone else.

I guess I will come back to see how this topic develops some time later...



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@Megadude: While reading this topic, i see your problem that lead into the rant in the OP.
You are making false assumptions about when a game is released, it's automatically going to sell millions. The problem with this kind of thinking is:
1. History shows the opposite.
2. In order for a game to sell well, it has to be good.
3. It has to have appeal outside the plain gameplay due to competition.

Your whole "defensive argument" is based on a conversation that goes this:
A: "OMG game X sold Y amount of copies. What a flop!"
B: "I don't think it was even expected to sell more than that."
A: "Look at how much better game W did."
B: "It's a better game with broader appeal."
A: "No. The game is 1st party and i don't like it. 3rd party games don't sell. Look how much better game N did on PS360."
B: "It did, but the type of games tend to sell well on the HD consoles. This game was the type of game that we rarely see being made. If they would sell better, we'd be seeing more of them. Besides, look at how game G did on Wii."
A: "But that game was a sequel in established franchise, new original IP:s don't sell. Look at game C, it did so good on the HD ones."
B: "It did. But game F is new and original IP and it did at least as good."
A: "1st party games don't count. New and original 3rd party IP:s don't sell on Wii."
B: "Yes they do. We have atleast a dozen original 3rd party games that did very well."
A: "But the one original 3rd party game on HD consoles did so much better."
B: "Surely these games did well, after all, they're already planning a sequel. I don't think it would be getting a sequel if it had flopped."
A: "They should be selling more on an installbase that large."
B: "There's more competition on the platform."
Etc. Etc.

Basically what happened was the original claim started as an offensive. Someone replied it with reason, and the first guy started to make his own standards that every game should have fit in, in order for a game to be successful in his books.
Now, in your OP, you're either trying to create your own standards on the subject, or just (trying to) mix up explanation and excuse.
If a game doesn't sell, i don't think it needs excuses, since by default games aren't going to sell in huge numbers, but offering explanation to sales numbers (whether they are high or low), based on things that can be observed is fair. The type of conversation you're whining about stops when people start to accept the sales numbers and stop whining "i don't like game A selling so badly in relation to game B". Just look at PS2, best selling home console ever and the vast majority of games did badly, even by the standards that make Wii games to sell badly. And why is Rols joke thread the only thread the only one that points out how badly PS360 games do.

As for the people who have played games longer than the last two gens; people who got into games during SNES, NES or earlier are more likely going to find Wii the best system available, since Wii is taking the step back to what was important in games back then: fun. The "greatest game in existance" is always going to be inferior to "funnest game in existance" for the reason that people tend to value the latter more.

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Disaster was really good. Only gripes i have, is the inconsistent graphical level and that the game should have been longer (although, it does have a lot new things to do on the second round). But, i can understand people not liking the game, since games that mix different genres tend to split opinions.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

as a wii owner i totally agree

some people really dont care how bad some games are as long as they sell

its like saying britney spears is an amazing musician cus of her sales



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@Bmaker: You don't understand the idea behind Nintendos strategy. There's two main points:
1. Nintendo wants someone in the family to buy Wii, so that other kind of gamers in the family would buy other kind of games for the system.
This means that the core games leads to new audience games sales and the opposite.
2. If a person buys the system and the "Wii series" games, that's only a few games sold to a customer. But if they make bridge games, the person could buy "Wii series" games, bridge games and core games. That's a lot more money to be made.
This means that the new audience games leads to core games sales and the opposite.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

@op: I pretty much agree. The wii does have a few outstanding games...but only a few. Fortunately the homebrew channel and brawl+ has kept my interest in it from dying completely.