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Rath on 02 April 2009
ssj12 said:

Well someone knows his history. And I believe Hitler lost his mind somewhere along the way.

Still his hatred of "Jews" is also contributed to his mother, if i remember right, because she was of Jewish faith. I think she beat him as a child because he refused the religion. So his hate for it spiraled out of control and turned into the Holocaust.

Ya, A-bomb + A-bomb = a level of genocide that topped Hitler.

 

Yes much of the blame for WWII can be placed on the allies, WWII however isn't the atrocity in this.

Also Hiroshima and Nagasaki were massacres of civilians and Nagasaki at least possibly unnessecary to their aims but they were not genocide and they most certainly did not top Hitler. There was no attempt to destroy a certain group of people.



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Tyrannical on 02 April 2009

Hitler didn't invent antisemtism.

109 Locations whence Jews have been Expelled since AD250


YEAR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PLACE

250 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage
415 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria
554 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocese of Clement (France)
561 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocese of Uzzes (France)
612 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain
642 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire
855 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
876 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens
1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria
1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England
1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again)
1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany)
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium
1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons
1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne
1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy
1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg
1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau
1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy)
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia
1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg
1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia
1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro
1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States
1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1593 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg, Austria
1597 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frankfort
1615 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Worms
1619 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kiev
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ukraine
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Poland
1649 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hamburg
1654 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1656 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Oran (North Africa)
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir
1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg
1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia
1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia
1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux
1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alsace
1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia
1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lbeck & Bremen
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen
1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Areas in the U.S. under General Grant's Jurisdiction[1]
1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania
1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow
1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas
1948 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Arab Countries

Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

highwaystar101 on 02 April 2009

Hitler, the guy was just a pillock really, everyone know he is a complete twat.

Where as Osama is a vaguely entertaining nuisance. He's never actively gassed Jews or tried to dominate Europe before.



donathos on 02 April 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Between Hitler and Bin Laden, it's Hitler.

Throw in Stalin and it's Stalin.

Throw in every other evil bastard, and Bin Laden's out of the top 30. Stalin would be in the top 5 and Hitler would be in the top 10. I'd need forever to get more specific.

Stalin's big, no question...

But between Hitler and Stalin, I dunno.  It seems to me that Stalin acted a lot more out of paranoia/fear, while Hitler had just an unquenchable malice towards... almost everyone and everything.

And I also find it telling that Hitler and Stalin allied and Hitler wound up betraying Stalin.  (And according to what I've heard before, Stalin was absolutely gobsmacked at Hitler's betrayal; he never saw it coming.)  I mean, you have to be pretty evil to be Stalin's Judas, you know?

But I'd love to hear your top 10.



numonex on 02 April 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Between Hitler and Bin Laden, it's Hitler.

Throw in Stalin and it's Stalin.

Throw in every other evil bastard, and Bin Laden's out of the top 30. Stalin would be in the top 5 and Hitler would be in the top 10. I'd need forever to get more specific.

Care to list your Top 10 most evil men in history.

BTW: I wish this was a Hitler or Stalin thread, it would be epic. Could a mod edit the thread title for me and put Josef Stalin's name in place of Osama Bin Laden.



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ssj12 on 02 April 2009
highwaystar101 said:
Hitler, the guy was just a pillock really, everyone know he is a complete twat.

Where as Osama is a vaguely entertaining nuisance. He's never actively gassed Jews or tried to dominate Europe before.

 

he had an IQ of like 142... or something



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donathos on 02 April 2009
ssj12 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Hitler, the guy was just a pillock really, everyone know he is a complete twat.

Where as Osama is a vaguely entertaining nuisance. He's never actively gassed Jews or tried to dominate Europe before.

he had an IQ of like 142... or something

Hitler took an IQ test?

 



The Ghost of RubangB on 02 April 2009

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highwaystar101 on 02 April 2009
ssj12 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Hitler, the guy was just a pillock really, everyone know he is a complete twat.

Where as Osama is a vaguely entertaining nuisance. He's never actively gassed Jews or tried to dominate Europe before.

 

he had an IQ of like 142... or something

 

A. So. The one girl from Atomic Kitten has 150... Hell, my IQ was 134 when I was in school, not to far off his.

B. I''m sure he was extremely smart to pull off what he did.

C. I didn't say he was an idiot, I said he was a twat and pillock.



Rath on 02 April 2009
numonex said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Between Hitler and Bin Laden, it's Hitler.

Throw in Stalin and it's Stalin.

Throw in every other evil bastard, and Bin Laden's out of the top 30. Stalin would be in the top 5 and Hitler would be in the top 10. I'd need forever to get more specific.

Care to list your Top 10 most evil men in history.

BTW: I wish this was a Hitler or Stalin thread, it would be epic. Could a mod edit the thread title for me and put Josef Stalin's name in place of Osama Bin Laden.

Oooh this could be quite fun.

1. Hitler - The holocaust is extremely evil not because of the number of dead but because of how they were killed. It was extremely systematic.

2. Stalin - Right up there with Hitler, the amount of people he killed is atrocious.

3. Vlad Tepes (Aka. Vlad the Impaler, aka. Dracula) - Right evil sonovabitch, didn't kill anywhere near as many as the two above but was far more creative in how he did it. Legend has it he left a golden goblet in the centre of his main city and nobody ever stole it because they were far too scared of him.

4. Pol Pot - The killing fields are one of the worst atrocities ever comitted.

5. Eichmann - Hitlers right hand man as far as the holocaust is concerned. "I laugh when I jump into the grave because of the feeling that I have killed 5,000,000 Jews. That gives me great satisfaction and gratification."

6. Idi Amin. Killed thousands of pe eople, ate people and ordered televised executions.

7. Gilles de Rais. Not as much of a mass murderer as the above but just as evil, he raped and killed hundreds of children in extremely cruel ways.

8. Enver Pasha/ Talaat Pasha. These two were largely responsible for the Armenian genocide.

9. Chairman Mao. Architect of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution - two things that killed many many millions of people.

10. Torquemada. A particularly cruel grand-inquisitor during the Spanish Inqusition. Killed between 1000-3000 people in extremely cruel ways.