No, actually we didn't. We used our senses to observe the results, but we didn't get the results using our senses. Your argument holds absolutely no water.

Holy Molies @ whats being said in thread!!
And If thats what people choose to do then so be it. It's not affecting me, and its not going to hurt me if they decide to denounce their faith and become atheists or a different religion.
There is nothing wrong with denouncing your religion. Some people are more quiet about it though, and become atheist without telling their friends or family. Those people usually end up being people who didnt go to church and what not to begin with.

I thought I would ask pretty much the same question but in reverse. It is hard to prove the existance of a god, but proving a specific one is nigh on impossible. Even your arguement there, which was very good by the way, you did well, does not answer my question. Sorry Kasz.

@ thread: As Wraithpriest said, atheists are expected to justify why they don't believe in a god over and over and no-one ever accepts why we don't. People were hassling sci-fiboy about it earlier. But when asked the same question in reverse it gets weird for them. Asking someone to justify their specific god is just as theoligically viable question as asking someone why they don't believe in one at all.

This thread sure has done alot since I posted once...it's a good read too, interesting in differing views of many people here on the website.

Justifications of beliefs come up in conversations between me and my religious friends a lot, I am confirmed in the CoE but do not feel bound to it, God and christianity have no impact on my life in anyway. Because of this I understand the meaning of God in Christianity and Christian's minds, I also see it from a more atheist view. I try and ask my friends why they believe as they do why I don't. It's usually just a case of faith vs logic.

But I wouldn't remove myself from the CoE records though. They have my name on file, big deal, so does my work (and they have my bank details), so does the Government and they have a lot more details. My Church has my name and date of birth at best. I don't get junk mail from them and I hold no personal grudge.

In Germany there is church tax, though I'm not entirely sure how obligatory it is and how formal it is to opt out of it.
When I lived there I just wrote "none" for the church I belong to on my tax form since that's what I consider myself anyway and I never gave it much thought. It was probably illegal in a way because on paper somewhere I'm still catholic (still not sure whether that applies when you're not a German citizen).

Yes.  And Matter isn't a dimension either... neither is mass.

Time as we define it is simply not time.

Just how weight also used to be false because we thought weight was standard everywhere in the universe and the universal measure of things.

I'm going out a bit beyond the edge of my knowledge here to be honest but I'd say the answer to your question is quantization. The fact that physics as a whole is based around this single indivisble unit makes it very easy to mathematically represent because everything is based on a quantum or multiple quanta which can be counted as integers.

So I think the reason why physics obeys certain mathematical rules is because there is a single smallest possible physical unit which can be portrayed mathematically.

But I've only done one paper on quantum mechanics so I could quite plausibly be wrong on this one.

You just said we used our senses to observe the results, which is the only way the results would be able to tell us anything. 

They will burn in the brimstone fires of Hell-a. Don't you give in to temptation-a!

There is no point in trying to prove my god exists, b/c anything I put up will just be discredited or written off as a fluke

For example

the first art school I applied to was the one that gave me the biggest amount of money to attend to, it was also the same school that housed the education department that my wife went to, the first semester for some reason I decided to drive instead of living on the dorms, this was also the same time my future wife was ending a really bad relationship, the next semester I decided to move into the dorms---given the choice b/t three different rooms with only one being in the same building as my future wife, I picked her building, that first night at random a bunch of girls were wandering the hall and drug me down to the common area to play some cards, my wife ended up playing against me and it was instant magnetism, we played cards for over 2 hours until another group decide that we all should go out to the “club” (the first time I have ever and the only time) so I tried to excuse my self and went back to my room, they followed trying to get me to go and finally I told them if so and so decided to I would as well---I found out later the same conversation was happening to my future wife on the other end of the building and the same thing was said---4 years later we have been happily married and have welcomed a beautiful baby girl into this world


another thing, my daughter was conceived even with the use of birth control (my wife was on the pill and I was doing things as well)

another thing, even major disaster in my life was a direct result of bad choices I have made and ever time i have almost hit rock bottom I have prayed and have yet to have any major dmg to me or my family

We have a great house, we both are healthy, our daughter is is great shape, and we both have wonderful jobs


No I know other people will be, “but that is all fluke or just random luck” or “but not every one that prays has a good life” and they are right, but I believe that god has directed my life for a reason and I can honestly say that nothing in my life that has been bad has just happened, its all been b/c of my choice and the choices of others and all of those have taught me a lesson in some form or another.

But like I said you wont believe me despite the evidence I present b/c you don’t want to, hopefully some day you will want to and you will have that ahhhh haaa I get it moment but he let us keep free will and its your choice