No mention of how we were able to play/beat it months before you could even play it?

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I think you misunderstood me. And yes, running around with the sniper was the most OP thing I have seen in a long long time.

Obivously every game has a copetative scale. However if you drop your Halo MLG gamers vs your Quake MLG gamers, the Quake ones will annihilate the Halo ones. Assuming whichever games is chosen, the teams get enough practice. Why? Because the ones coming from Quake have a far far superior aim, simply due to the fact that Quake requires you to have good aim/leading to be even past the mediocre tier.

That doesn't make much sense.  That would be like placing a tennis pro against a raquetball pro.  They have similar game mechanics, but one does not mean you are good at the other.  Your situation would work the same way both ways.  Place the Quake pros in a Halo match against Halo pros and the Quake pros would get their asses handed to them.  The game plays completely different.  It isn't all about aiming.  Situational awareness is much more important in Halo than in Quake.

greenmedic you seem to think the same way as me.

Yes, I meant that if you switch them in either case. Given the others enough time to adjust, the Quake players would still rock the Halo ones. After Quake, Halo seems like like a nice chill exploration game when it comes to the speed.

You are wrong.  Halo isn't about hopping around your environment like a kid on a sugar high.  It is about choosing your weaponry and forcing the opponent into your game.  It is about being aware of their weaponry, being aware of where you are, and where they are.  Also, because you cannot hold every single weapon in the game at one time, you must choose how you will try and encounter your opponent.

You are right, Quake 3 is all about aiming skill and dancing skill.  Those skills will only get you so far in Halo.  You have to actually play smarter.  This is due to both melees, grenades, and equipment.

I guess the different between you and me is that you want a game that plays purely on twitch ability with little regard to thinking about how to go about something.  Quake 3 is pretty much just see and opponent and start dancing, hopping, and straffing while cranking off at an opponent who is doing the same thing.  There is some thinking required to try and use your environment to your advantage, but nothing on the scale of what is necessary in Halo 3. 

This is also why I enjojyed Tribes so much.  While there was twitch skill necessary in jet pack duels, it was more about how to approach different situations.

See that's why UT2004 is better than quake. Because on top of the twitch you also have the whole shock combos, flak arc/bounce, rocket preloading, biorifle mining, and in general a lot more leading and faster reflexes. You have just as much to think about. Too many times I ran into a shock combo face first, or a nicely aimed flack shell.

I'm sorry but that sentence completely showed your ignorance to competitive gaming. Just download the Halo trial and I'll make a private room and you can join. Could someone here also join the game so we have proof of this match? I can't do it tonight because I have an exam tomorrow but any other day that suites you is fine with me. The fact that you don't know that Halo PC has one of the most dedicated and competitive gaming communities shows how little you know. If you like I could get you the statistics that show how much Halo is still being played on PC even today. The Halo:CE pistol is one of the most competitive and skill requiring weapons ever made, I'll be glad to show you how it works when I destroy you. My gamer tag is Rellik, I've been to multiple MLG tournaments since Halo:CE and was once one of the best Halo PC gamers. It's going to be a pleasure showing you what true competitive gaming means.

LOL.  Uh oh.  Things have heated up here.

vlad, yes, UT2004 has much more depth to it than Quake 3, but I will still make the argument that it requires very different approaches to playing than Halo 3.  4 different grenade types(frag, plasma, napalm), many different equipments(bubble shield, energy drainer, flare, mine, jump lift, etc), many different types of weapons(long range, short range, medium range, melee, etc) of which you can only carry two. 

The regenerating shield that you have such a distaste for also changes strategies quite a bit.  If you do a ton of damage and the opponent manages to get around a corner, you probably want to go get him or all was for not as his shields will come back.  But the opponent will probably have a grenade waiting for you around the corner, or probably a shotgun or sword.  Many different approaches to a situation.

And mendicate, I hate the Halo:CE pistol.  It was the best weapon for mostly any situation.  Which means it is a terrible weapon for a game.  Balance was a problem for weaponry in that game.