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Zkuq on 29 March 2009

Why should this be banned? It's not that much worse than, say, Manhunt. A different crime, that's all. I prefer freedom of speech even for this I can't agree with, so I can't accept banning this either. Besides, age ratings aren't there without a reason.

And arguing about which is worse, killing or raping? Is it really important? What's important is that they're both very bad, in the same league even.



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N.Genckel on 29 March 2009

I think it's a pretty lame idea for a game, but not anymore disturbing than killing innocent people in a video game, and we see that all the time. You should just see games for what they are ... games.



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GalacticPunt on 29 March 2009

Dumb concept. Dumb game. Should it be banned? I'm not sure. The more you involve government the worse things get. Just look at the Bush/Obama economic stimulus initiatives.



captain10000percent on 29 March 2009

Is this even actually being released in the US? or did someone simply stumble upon a torrent site?
I know that games like this have been made in Japan for like the past 20 years and they never leave Japan, officially at least.
it be like banning the sale of einsteinium or something...
though most countries do have bans on time travel and time travel research



burgerstein on 29 March 2009

A number of people are saying rape can never be justified and murder can, so I'll give some examples of how rape can be justified.

1. A mad scientist will destroy the world with nuclear weapons unless you rape a particular person.

2. There are only two people left on earth and the human race will die out if one doesn't rape the other, regardless of which gender rapes the other.

I know those situations are ridiculous, but they're still there. It's not that easy to justify murder either. War doesn't justify murder. Just because your government gives you a gun and a uniform and sends you to a far off land doesn't mean it's okay for you to kill people. Self defense and any variation on the mad scientist situation (where in sacrificing one life will result in the saving of two or more lives) are really the only justifications for murder.

If you can kill unjustifiably in games, you can rape unjustifiably in games. Just because one is more socially acceptable than the other doesn't make it any less evil.

P.S. I don't know how anyone can compare yelling, "fire," in a crowded theatre can compare to pretending to rape anime girls in the privacy of your own home.

The "You usually kill the badguys in games" thing is also a crock. The majority of kills come from online multiplayer modes, in which two teams can't both be the badguys. And usually isn't always anyhow.



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Kantor on 29 March 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
Kantor said:
KillerMan said:
kowenicki said:
@killerman

In how many countries is murder of one citizen by another accepted? Answer: None.. (dont bring the death penalty in, thats different)

In how many countries are women put down, belittled, enslaved and raped legally (mainly in mariage)? Answer: Quite a few.

Thats why its different

Everyone knows that murder isnt right, but maybe this game can help perpetuate the thought that rape and the control of women is ok. That is wrong.


Using the same logic games like GTA can help perpetuate the thought that killing is ok. You just shoot somebody in the head and then drive couple of miles and the cops no more chase you. it's no different.

Not really.

At no point does GTA glorify killing. You are a gangster, it is your job.

Having said that, a game like Manhunt rewards you for killing people in creative ways.

Now, let me explain why I agree with Kowenicki:

Games include "murder" because, to be frank, players enjoy it. It gives a sense of accomplishment, of achievement. Generally, the person you are killing (in a game) is evil, so you are making the world a better place. Very few people would even be able to consider the possibility of killing a human in real life. I know I couldn't. We are all taught that murder in real life is wrong, and yet violence in a video game is insane amounts of fun. There are no repercussions, and no guilt. No having to live with the fact that the person you killed will never breathe, eat, or see their family again.

And now rape. I don't see how anybody could enjoy that. But that is besides the point. People consider one who rapes a pervert; a sick, twisted bastard. Unlike killing, there can really be no justification for rape. You are knowingly causing pain to another human. There's no guilt of them never seeing the light of day again, but they are haunted for the rest of their life. Now, many people who could not consider killing somebody could commit rape with no feelings of remorse. We are taught from a young age that killing is bad, pretty much from the time we are born, while a young child will not know that rape is bad, he probably will not know what is going on, actually.

But that's not quite it. I don't think it could turn somebody into a rapist, just like GTA won't turn somebody into a gangster murderer, and LBP won't turn somebody into a piece of cotton. It's just sick. Really, really disgusting. As I said, in a war, killing can be considered honorable, in self defence, if the person is truly evil. There can never be a good reason to commit rape.

Then, of course, I, and most people in this thread, on this site, and in this world, would rather play a game with killing than a game with raping. How many ways can you kill, and how many ways can you rape? Without the fun factor, and with including something horrible and disgusting, there's really no excuse for this game to exist.



I don't really get this justification. Killing innocent civilians is ok because it's fun, feels good, and besides that's just what your character does? But a rape game isn't fun, doesn't feel good, and it's out of character for your avatar? Nope. Basically you're morally hardwired to find violence satisfying and raping wrong. Western culture is very violence oriented. Not That I'm complaining, I was just playing Mad World. But in GTA4 a middle aged woman will cower on the ground and beg not to be killed before you shoot her in cold blood for no good reason. How is that not morally abhorrent? Oh, right. It's fun.

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Luchadore64 on 29 March 2009

No. Where the fuck are my tentacle rape simulators?!



naraku2099 on 29 March 2009

I'm sorry, but I laughed. Hard.



.jayderyu on 29 March 2009

Personally I think this game in question is disturbing, however I advocate that it should not be banned. Humanity to evolved personally is not about being told what to believe in, but to find the answer them selves. Not being exposed to "sinful" concepts doesn't make you a better person. It just means your sheltered and in the face of the product you end up not being mature in emotional growth enough to handle the situation properly.

Death however is an end to the person. There is no room for growth or a chance to experience.

So no it shouldn't be banned, keep it restricted by all means. Let people determine the value of themselves when faced with a game like this. Rather than hiding in a hole and forcing other people to hide with you. Really these people disgust me more than the developers and purchasers of such games.



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donathos on 30 March 2009
Onyxmeth said:

There are limits to freedom of speech. I don't like it that some people are under the impression that freedom of speech means complete and utter freedom without restrictions. I can yell "fire" in a movie theatre and no one will get hurt necessarily. That doesn't mean it's allowed.

I felt uncomfortable about this game since the beginning of this topic, but my stance didn't change until I read the review involving raping a minor. We can all argue over this but I feel that constitutes child pornography, which is illegal in my country. That is where I drew my line.

I am getting the feeling that you feel no line should ever be drawn in wht can and cannot be produced into a game. Do you really feel there is no material on earth that could pose a threat to people if allowed to be made?

I can yell "fire" in a movie theatre and no one will get hurt necessarily. That doesn't mean it's allowed.

Yelling fire in theater is sometimes okay.  Suppose, for instance, that no one else is in the theater.  Or, suppose that there's an actual fire, and you're warning people to get them to safety.

That's not the point?  My point is, where yelling fire gets you into trouble is when you're trying to get people hurt.  Most of the "limitations to free speech" that I'd agree with fall under that kind of umbrella, like inciting to riot, or conspiracy to commit murder.

If a game specifically counseled a person to go rape--if it was trying to convince a person to actually commit a crime--then I could understand banning the game, in the same way that if I wrote you an e-mail to try to get you to rob an actual liquor store, that would be criminal on my part.  But if I write a book about a robber, or make a video game where you can rob a fictional store... well, it's just not the same thing as telling you to go out and do it. 

Even though many people are especially sensitive about rape as opposed to other crimes, it's really the same thing--crime is crime.  (And I bet there are people out there who are just as touchy about the crimes presented in a GTA as some people are about rape.)

Do you really feel there is no material on earth that could pose a threat to people if allowed to be made?

Hmm... I'm sure we could imagine several very extreme hypothetical scenarios that would seem a little strange (like, suppose a game that gave people detailed instructions on how to create an atomic bomb...)  But, I guess I'd start here: I wouldn't ban any game where the material in question wouldn't be banned in a book or film.  So, if we're not going to ban the Marquis de Sade (who wrote about incredible brutality; rape only begins to describe it), then I don't think we ban a game like this.

However, I'd be open to banning a game if we could establish that the information in it constituted a clear and present danger for actual, live human beings.  I just don't think that playing a game about rape will make a person a rapist, anymore than I think playing GTA will make a person a mass-murderer, or playing Tapper ever made anyone an alcoholic.