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Tyrannical said:
The only reason homosexuality isn't STILL considered a form of mental illness is because it upsets gay people.

I'm sure the cure isn't much more complicated then the hormonal treatments they give someone who wants a sex change. We just need to examine the chemical and hormonal differences between the brain of a gay man and a heterosexual and treat it accordingly. In the end, I'm sure it can be treated just like any other form of mental illness.

 No, thats not the reason at all. The reason it changes was due to scientific inquiries determining that it wasn't an abnormal mental state that can be cured. It is a naturally occuring phenomenon of a healthy mind. You are welcome to disagree of course, but I have a few degrees and a ton of people who go by the title "Dr." to back me up.



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Username2324 said:

Surely there is something that disturbs you, or would you be ok with seeing a person makeout with a cow at the mall?

 

 Anybody kissing disturbs me. Hell I get uncomfortable watching people hold hands. Its one of those things that bothers me a lot for no apparent reason. Its a source of conflict with the girls I date as I don't always like to be all cutesy in public. I don't begrudge anyone else the right to do it though. My rights end where theres start which means I don't have the right to tell them what to do.



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Gnizmo said:
Tyrannical said:
The only reason homosexuality isn't STILL considered a form of mental illness is because it upsets gay people.

I'm sure the cure isn't much more complicated then the hormonal treatments they give someone who wants a sex change. We just need to examine the chemical and hormonal differences between the brain of a gay man and a heterosexual and treat it accordingly. In the end, I'm sure it can be treated just like any other form of mental illness.

 No, thats not the reason at all. The reason it changes was due to scientific inquiries determining that it wasn't an abnormal mental state that can be cured. It is a naturally occuring phenomenon of a healthy mind. You are welcome to disagree of course, but I have a few degrees and a ton of people who go by the title "Dr." to back me up.

 

I see they must have changed the definition of the word "abnormal" to protect the "feelings" of those afflicted by it.

We could end all the hate by just curing it.

 



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

WessleWoggle said:

 

 

Problems with trying to cure it:

-People who don't want to be cured

-There's multiple causes(mental, physical, spiritual)

-Some people just like the feeling of a cock in their ass and it won't help because they'ree keep doing it

-Some people like the idea of a big strong sexy man holding them close and kissing them, me included

 

Quite a lot of people suffering from mental illness don't want to be cured.

Homosexuals also suffer from a host of other mental issues such as depression, self loathing, suicidal thoughts. Of course it is falesly blamed on society not accepting them. Oh, and gay + artist usualy equals bat shit insane too.

Certainly there are multiple causes of homosexuality. I would probably seperate them into cultural, physical, and mental. I'm concerned with the physical causes which I would blame on chemical imbalances in the brain. That's why I say it is probably curable if you treat it before puberty. After puberty and a sexual identy is reached, I think it would be much more difficult to cure.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Username2324 said:
Well, if you don't like where you work go somewhere else.... Easy as that.

I mean honestly, unless he was planning on sueing Microsoft, he, assuming he is atleast a decent designer, could have switched to a different company and then been a bit more careful about what he let his coworkers know.

I see this as being his own fault, and if I were working there I could have just as easily complained about working next to a gay guy and sued Microsoft for not accommodating MY feelings.

Your feelings are hateful.  Gay people don't hate straight people.  They don't want you to love them and worship them and give them your children.  Believe it or not, they want people like you (who would feel gross working next to them) to just leave them alone.

And not everybody instantly leaves their job the second they feel offended by anything.  Expecting this guy to move and quit immediately, just because other people hate him, is a pretty far stretch.  It's also illegal.

Username2324 said:
Jo21 said:
^ the thing is there is law for thats.
why you think companies have human resources sections.

women, gay/lesbians and black/chinese/latinos/ shouldn't experience that kind of treatment.
for neither their gender, race or orientation.

You think he is the only person this happens to? This happens to straight people, not a big deal, they just find a different job. But because he is gay he is royalty in the eyes of the law, he deserves special treatment in the eyes of the law. And the other part is because he works at Microsoft, if he worked at a smaller company he wouldnt be going for its pockets.

Simply put, this is political BS. If gays and lesbians want to be treated as equal they need to suck it up and started acting equal. Same with blacks, chinese, and mexicans, you want to be treated equal then quit crying and saying its because of your skin color.

Anyways, I best stop before I upset people.

It's not just thinking "oh no I'm a minority here and I'm uncomfortable I better move."  It's people giving you a hateful and hurtful nickname because they hate you and laugh at your pathetic existence and think you deserve to be laughed at every single day at work.  Blaming minority problems on minorities is really stupid.  Especially when you're blaming them for being born the way they were born.

Tyrannical said:
Things were better when they were all in the closet and kept their sexuality to their selves. Gay people certainly existed back in the 70's and 80's, but we didn't have these problems back then. The only people that need to know if you are gay are other gay people.

People only stayed in the closet back then because they would be murdered if they didn't.  Those weren't better times.  Maybe more convenient for hateful people like you, because you didn't have to deal with people who disgust you, but for them, they had to lie about themselves and live in fear of death if they walked down the wrong street.

Tyrannical said:
Gnizmo said:
Tyrannical said:
Things were better when they were all in the closet and kept their sexuality to their selves. Gay people certainly existed back in the 70's and 80's, but we didn't have these problems back then. The only people that need to know if you are gay are other gay people.

It shouldn't matter if a person is gay or not. Even without telling the whole office in person the secrets can get out. Picture of loved ones are acceptable in an office, and a dead give away if they are all of you cuddling with a person of the same sex. Just as easy to spot someone out on a date with a member of the same sex. Expecting these people to hide in the shadows of society is reducing them to second class citizens. It turns out thats a bad idea.

I don't bring my klan robe and Nazi flags to work because it could make my jewish and black co-workers feel uncomfortable. I can't even keep a picture of Hitler on my desk.

So, sometimes you have to inconvience yourself to not offend the majority.

Being a Nazi or a Klan member means you hate somebody else.  Being gay doesn't involve hate.  Horrible analogy.

People aren't born Nazis.  They have to learn how to hate.  Gays are born gay.  They aren't converted in the shadows like Nazis are.

Would you seriously rather have your kids stumble across a Nazi parade than a gay parade?

Tyrannical said:
Ya know, most forms of homosexuality are probably curable with the proper hormone treatments if you catch it before puberty. I'm sure it's just a chemical imbalance in the brain that causes it.

We treat so many other mental illnesses, why do we ignore this one?

Homosexuality is not a mental illness.  The APA hasn't listed it as one since 1973.  In fact, every year when they vote on their list of mental diseases at their convention, the vote to list homosexuality as a mental illness gets smaller every year.  So unless you have some data to prove the last 36 years of American research wrong, don't make these arguments.  They're wrong.



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Tyrannical said: 

I see they must have changed the definition of the word "abnormal" to protect the "feelings" of those afflicted by it.

We could end all the hate by just curing it.

 

 Nope the definitions are the same. Not everything abnormal is a mental illness though. You could try to cure it I suppose, but you would have to find a root cause first. Even then it is unlikely to ever work. We understand the root cause of gender dysphoria (transgender folk) and there is no cure for them. They are likely going to be bumped out of the DSM next revision as well. At least thats the word coming down the grapevine.



Starcraft 2 ID: Gnizmo 229

I'm not going to argue morals with the right wing conservatives and evangelicals about whether homosexuality is right because that never seems to go anywhere, I'm just going to say that if his allegations are true then he definately has an extremely solid legal case, largely due to the US constitution.



 

A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological or behavioral pattern that occurs in an individual and is thought to cause distress or disability that is not expected as part of normal development or culture.

 

Gay video game designer Jamie Durrant is suing Microsoft for £45,000 in 'hurt feelings' and lost pay, claiming discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.

 

See? It caused him distress in the form of "hurt feelings". Homosexuality as a mental illness confirmed.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

And all the black people who are have hurt feelings after being insulted by racists have a mental illness as well do they?

Thats one of the stupidest statements I have ever read. Anywhere.



The Ghost of RubangB said:

Homosexuality is not a mental illness.  The APA hasn't listed it as one since 1973.  In fact, every year when they vote on their list of mental diseases at their convention, the vote to list homosexuality as a mental illness gets smaller every year.  So unless you have some data to prove the last 36 years of American research wrong, don't make these arguments.  They're wrong.

 

Yes, but why was it reclassified? Was it for valid scientific reasons, or political pressure?

Is it even possible to have a scientific debate on it anymore? I doubt the homosexual lobby groups would stand for it if they did.

I wonder what type of protests and political pressure those that still feel it is a mental illness have to put up with. I bet it would drive the gay rights groups "crazy". <-----

 

 



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire