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Shinlock on 22 March 2009
The Anarchyz said:
Japan still loves the JRPG genre, and it's already demonstrated that a new IP can sell better on the PS3 than an established franchise on the 360...

In the West, it's not that people don't care anymore about console JRPGs, the thing is that the great majority of console JRPG lovers that have a PS2 have decided to go Wii, go PS3 or stick to the PS2, only a little portion of the fans have a 360 (while the great majority of 360 owners are western-oriented fans, especially of the shooter genre), the only game that is selling really well is Lost Odyssey, and i wonder how much the game would've sold if the cover didn't have "From the creator of Final Fantasy" (i think the game is good BTW)...

Meanwhile the franchise that always brings the JRPG boom in the West since the PS1 era is absent, we still don't know about a release date here, hell we don't know a Japanese release date, FF7 was ready 2 years into the PS1 lifespan, FF10 was ready A YEAR into the PS2 lifespan, the PS3 already has 2 years and 4 months in JP and NA, and 2 years in EU, by the time FF13 comes out in JP it will be 3 full years, and in the West it probably would be 3.5 to 4 years, that's not helping the genre either...

So my point of view is that the 360 getting the JRPGs is not helping the genre, but it's not the only problem, this gen has a lot of issues that last gen didn't have (like console western-oriented fanbase growing, the PS3 not being dominant, the Wii not being 3rd party choice, the 360 doing all the deals and the handhelds getting main games like DQ9), this caused a lot of confusion, now the genre is still viable, but the companies (from consoles to software) have to wake up of this mess they have caused...

Well said Anarchyz.

It does seem this generation JRPG studios are trying to force a western breakthrough by publishing their games on 360. Its a massive gamble which isn't paying off because they cut off their meat and potatos market (japan).

Its more odd because if you look at the markets atm (japan, USA, others). you have the 360 massively leading over the ps3 in the US, but in Europe its very even still, and of course japan its 3:1. Developing for ps3 would give them the ability to easily market the game it in japan and Europe. The game might not take off on ps3 in the US but they could use those sales as a market-case for pushing for co-developing the game on 360 for the american market at a later date (ie reasonable ps3 sales means a 360 port would be economically viable).

The core thing is this really. They are JRPG developers making JRPG games. they should market it to their core players, on the platform they are most likely to have or want to buy. Failure in USA but success in Japan and Europe is better then failing in all 3 markets. I really think any developer that jumps onto it right now is in for a really good chance at success, because of this starvation on the platform, because other platforms like DS appear flooded with jrpgs.



 

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Kasz216 on 22 March 2009
Baki said:
Soriku said:
Megadude said:
Soriku said:
Baki said:
BengaBenga said:
I don't disagree that PS360 would have been better for the Japanese sales and probably even Western sales. However Japanese devs are not very much used to multiplatform development.

Other than that the article sounds like complaint #100 about how the PS3 doesn't have JRPGs and how it's their own fault that their sales are down by ignoring the PS3.

The PS3 fanboy aspect of this article becomes even clearer because it complete ignores Wii as a platform, while everything the aurthor writes could also be, even more, applied to Wii. But by the time Wii and PS3 launched most devs had already gone with 360.

 

I ignored the DS and PSP as well. Thats because this article was about HD gaming. Plus putting the games on the Wii would mean some gameplay changes for the games.

This particular article is talking about an alternative that the developers chose to ignore. An alternative where the game would've remained relatively the same.

And yes, in a way, this is a complaint about developers ignoring the PS3 to its own detriment in favour of an Xbox 360 exclusive.

 

No it doesn't. Not all Wii games require waggle (esp not JRPGs).

A Wii game without a waggle is basicly a Gamcube game.

 

 

Uh...no,

 

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of putting it on the Wii. Might as well put it on the PS2 if you're not going to play to the platforms strengths. Not to mention that not everyone has a classic controller and controlling a game normally using the Wii mote is not comfortable at all.

Who needs a classic controller.  Most JRPS need two buttons.

Also... the point is to put it where people will buy it.  Wasn't that the point of your blog?



theRepublic on 22 March 2009
Baki said:
Soriku said:
Megadude said:
Soriku said:
Baki said:
BengaBenga said:
I don't disagree that PS360 would have been better for the Japanese sales and probably even Western sales. However Japanese devs are not very much used to multiplatform development.

Other than that the article sounds like complaint #100 about how the PS3 doesn't have JRPGs and how it's their own fault that their sales are down by ignoring the PS3.

The PS3 fanboy aspect of this article becomes even clearer because it complete ignores Wii as a platform, while everything the aurthor writes could also be, even more, applied to Wii. But by the time Wii and PS3 launched most devs had already gone with 360.

 

I ignored the DS and PSP as well. Thats because this article was about HD gaming. Plus putting the games on the Wii would mean some gameplay changes for the games.

This particular article is talking about an alternative that the developers chose to ignore. An alternative where the game would've remained relatively the same.

And yes, in a way, this is a complaint about developers ignoring the PS3 to its own detriment in favour of an Xbox 360 exclusive.

 

No it doesn't. Not all Wii games require waggle (esp not JRPGs).

A Wii game without a waggle is basicly a Gamcube game.

 

 

Uh...no,

 

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of putting it on the Wii. Might as well put it on the PS2 if you're not going to play to the platforms strengths. Not to mention that not everyone has a classic controller and controlling a game normally using the Wii mote is not comfortable at all.

You have got to be kidding.  The simple fact that you are not locked in to having your hands three inches apart makes the Wiimote/Nunchuck combination extremely comfortable.



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Kasz216 on 22 March 2009
theRepublic said:
Baki said:
Soriku said:
Megadude said:
Soriku said:
Baki said:
BengaBenga said:
I don't disagree that PS360 would have been better for the Japanese sales and probably even Western sales. However Japanese devs are not very much used to multiplatform development.

Other than that the article sounds like complaint #100 about how the PS3 doesn't have JRPGs and how it's their own fault that their sales are down by ignoring the PS3.

The PS3 fanboy aspect of this article becomes even clearer because it complete ignores Wii as a platform, while everything the aurthor writes could also be, even more, applied to Wii. But by the time Wii and PS3 launched most devs had already gone with 360.

 

I ignored the DS and PSP as well. Thats because this article was about HD gaming. Plus putting the games on the Wii would mean some gameplay changes for the games.

This particular article is talking about an alternative that the developers chose to ignore. An alternative where the game would've remained relatively the same.

And yes, in a way, this is a complaint about developers ignoring the PS3 to its own detriment in favour of an Xbox 360 exclusive.

 

No it doesn't. Not all Wii games require waggle (esp not JRPGs).

A Wii game without a waggle is basicly a Gamcube game.

 

 

Uh...no,

 

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of putting it on the Wii. Might as well put it on the PS2 if you're not going to play to the platforms strengths. Not to mention that not everyone has a classic controller and controlling a game normally using the Wii mote is not comfortable at all.

You have got to be kidding.  The simple fact that you are not locked in to having your hands three inches apart makes the Wiimote/Nunchuck combination extremely comfortable.

That actually is my favorite part of the Wiimote/nunchuck. 

Really it's why i'd take games that were equal in everything except graphics on the Wii.

It's why I bought Power Pros on Wii rather then 20 dollars cheaper on PS2.

 



.jayderyu on 22 March 2009

ha ha, the OP lists that the PS2 purchasers have either stayed or gone Wii. Then dismisses the Wii as a viable platform. ha ha. Sorry Wii is the only platform left. I'm sure FF13 will make money, but it's going to be scarce in compared to their regular per year average revenue.



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Bluewing on 22 March 2009

I bought my PS3 knowing that both FFXIII and FFXVIII would come.
I bet this will be a reason for VERY MANY FF fans in Japan.
A price cut is something many is awaiting aswell, that is perhaps a reason why so many wait buying a PS3 untill FFXIII releases, since there is a chance the price drop will occur earlier..

And GT5 is probably being released late 09 or early 10 aswell, so that will be another reason to the ones still unsure about getting PS3.

Just wait one year, and then we can discuss JRPG Developers (SE's) bed.



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haxxiy on 22 March 2009

PS360 is the way developers need to go. Wonder why X360 has so many JRPG exclusives on Japan if it is selling so poorly there. Maybe MS bullied some devs in order to trigger some sales haha.
But seriously if a game like FFXIII went Wii exclusive I'd like to shoot someone in the head with a fucking shotgun. Just thinking how the game could be on PS360 and how it actually ended would me make want to fucking cry.



 

 

 

 

 

darkhaven63 on 22 March 2009

I wonder what would've happened if companies like SE and Namco went the multiplatform route instead of the exclusive road?



   

Baki on 22 March 2009
theRepublic said:
Baki said:
Soriku said:
Megadude said:
Soriku said:
Baki said:
BengaBenga said:
I don't disagree that PS360 would have been better for the Japanese sales and probably even Western sales. However Japanese devs are not very much used to multiplatform development.

Other than that the article sounds like complaint #100 about how the PS3 doesn't have JRPGs and how it's their own fault that their sales are down by ignoring the PS3.

The PS3 fanboy aspect of this article becomes even clearer because it complete ignores Wii as a platform, while everything the aurthor writes could also be, even more, applied to Wii. But by the time Wii and PS3 launched most devs had already gone with 360.

 

I ignored the DS and PSP as well. Thats because this article was about HD gaming. Plus putting the games on the Wii would mean some gameplay changes for the games.

This particular article is talking about an alternative that the developers chose to ignore. An alternative where the game would've remained relatively the same.

And yes, in a way, this is a complaint about developers ignoring the PS3 to its own detriment in favour of an Xbox 360 exclusive.

 

No it doesn't. Not all Wii games require waggle (esp not JRPGs).

A Wii game without a waggle is basicly a Gamcube game.

 

 

Uh...no,

 

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of putting it on the Wii. Might as well put it on the PS2 if you're not going to play to the platforms strengths. Not to mention that not everyone has a classic controller and controlling a game normally using the Wii mote is not comfortable at all.

You have got to be kidding.  The simple fact that you are not locked in to having your hands three inches apart makes the Wiimote/Nunchuck combination extremely comfortable.

Not when you hold it like this...

 

 



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Smashed on 22 March 2009

Square Enix is dead to me now, I hope they like what they are getting. That's what happens when you put a JRPG exclusivley on a console that isn't selling that well in a main area (Japan, 360), it just didn't work.

Everyone here know's the impact good RPG's have in Japan on PS3, you can't deny that. So there's no one to blame here but square enix.