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What does the Pal region have to do with NPD #'s? Sounds to me like the author was trying to rangle his way into some BS to me.

Where exactly did the #'s come from for Pal?



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I wonder where he got the data from. Mixing PAL data in, when possible, really isn't the best way to give an accurate portrayal.

I gathered the data for the top 100 games for the 360 and PS3 in 2009 (about 43 between both for this example) ranging from 2007 through 2009. In North America, there's a much more gradual trend in favor of the PS3 than what the article is arguing. The skewing has droped from about 1.9 in favor of the 360 to 1.78 in a year....Not a major move.

The issue with the article is that it should favor the PS3, as the % gap between the 360 and PS3 drop. Even though the 360 is maintaining a pretty good, 8 million unit lead, the % gap is steadily decreasing. And when we're talking about software sales - from a % standpoint, it will favor the PS3 over time.

Example: At the end of each year, there has been the following gap between the PS3 and 360:

  • 2007: PS3: 3.5m, X360: 10.1m - 288% gap
  • 2008: PS3: 7.4m, X360: 15.7m - 212% gap
  • Current: PS3: 8.1m, X360: 16.8m - 207% gap

So as you can see, the % value gap has decreased between the 360 and the PS3, despite the fact that the units sold gap has increased by about 2.1 million units. This is the major flaw in the article: They are trying to pass off percentages as values.

In this way, the article fails hard. Even if every game had a 1,000,000 unit gap in favor of the 360, it's still trend negatively against the 360 if total units sold increased.

 



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TRios_Zen said:
Impulsivity said:
numonex said:

  Why do 360 fans want to go NA only as if the rest of the world doesn't matter?  More video game revenue comes from outside of NA then from inside NA.  With the Euro and Yen worth more relative to the dollar a sale in either other region is like 1.3 or 1.4 sales in NA.  

 

 

The Op is clearly in response to these two articles (here and here); where various Microsoft sources have lauded the high software sales on the 360 based on NPD data.

To fight this, the clearly pro-Sony article brings in European data to refute the claims in those articles...way to change the parameters to fit your argument...yet another sterling example of fair and unbiased reporting.

So, basically for the sake of refuting Microsofts claims in the articles above, the rest of the world does not matter, as those claims were based on American data only.  NO one is saying the rest of the world doesn't matter in the larger picture... please.

Finally, this idea that MS said Final Fantasy XIII would sell more on the 360 is complete bunk.  AT worst, Greenberg insinuates it will in North America (what the entire article is talking about), nowhere does he say, it is going to sell more world wide.

This guy knows what he is talking about.



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mrstickball. It's quite clear the writer of the article is a tool. Cheers for giving some hard factual woopass though. I hope you don't mind me saying so but your xblive avatar looks like a paedophile I do hope you don't look like that.

Just check out their "line of best fit" on a graph with only data sample from 3 periods.....

It's hysterical, you wouldn't get that passed in elementery school...Do these journalists even have degrees?



786_ali said:
PalmiNio said:

And no one brings up one of the most important factor

PS3 has NO PIRACY!

360 has the EASIEST PIRACy since PSone. The flash of a 360 drive is something you can do home without soldering.

Donät know about US but in PAL countries some EU states donät have laws againts modding, like in Sweden, and the anti-Piracy laws are week.

360 loses grounds in sales when you can easily just download games and burn it on a 2 dollar disc. Works online also in most cases.

 piracy means that more people buy xbox360's than ps3s in the third world. so your logic is flawed

 

 

 

He's wrong on all counts.

 

modding a 360 for playing copies is harder than...

 

PS1, Dreamcast, Saturn, PS2...It's the hardest so far.

There are "no solder" chips available for all those devices and no messing around with software in dos and...well I wouldn't say any of them are "hard" it's just the 360 is a lot more time consuming first time.



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theRepublic said:
TRios_Zen said:
Impulsivity said:
numonex said:

  Why do 360 fans want to go NA only as if the rest of the world doesn't matter?  More video game revenue comes from outside of NA then from inside NA.  With the Euro and Yen worth more relative to the dollar a sale in either other region is like 1.3 or 1.4 sales in NA.  

 

 

The Op is clearly in response to these two articles (here and here); where various Microsoft sources have lauded the high software sales on the 360 based on NPD data.

To fight this, the clearly pro-Sony article brings in European data to refute the claims in those articles...way to change the parameters to fit your argument...yet another sterling example of fair and unbiased reporting.

So, basically for the sake of refuting Microsofts claims in the articles above, the rest of the world does not matter, as those claims were based on American data only.  NO one is saying the rest of the world doesn't matter in the larger picture... please.

Finally, this idea that MS said Final Fantasy XIII would sell more on the 360 is complete bunk.  AT worst, Greenberg insinuates it will in North America (what the entire article is talking about), nowhere does he say, it is going to sell more world wide.

This guy knows what he is talking about.

 

 So do you.



786_ali said:
PalmiNio said:

And no one brings up one of the most important factor

PS3 has NO PIRACY!

360 has the EASIEST PIRACy since PSone. The flash of a 360 drive is something you can do home without soldering.

Donät know about US but in PAL countries some EU states donät have laws againts modding, like in Sweden, and the anti-Piracy laws are week.

360 loses grounds in sales when you can easily just download games and burn it on a 2 dollar disc. Works online also in most cases.

 piracy means that more people buy xbox360's than ps3s in the third world. so your logic is flawed

 

 

Are u stupid? selling more systems due to piracy may be true but we are talkning about software sales! And in how many third world areas do 360 or PS3 sell many units?

 

Piracy is very common i Europe since many countries don't give a fuck about the anti-piracy laws. Hell look at Sweden, the people behind PirateBay may not even get jailtime.

All people i know have a modified 360 and loads of burnt game.

 



Predictions for 2009:

360: 39-42 PS3: 31-34 Wii: 67-70

Future projection

Wii will hit 100 million before christmas 2010 (made december 2008)

NDS Family will have sold and shipped more then PS2 at the end of 2009 (made january 2009)

^^^i'll be kind and not report you for that pathetic excuse for post. if the 360 didn't have piracy then people would be buying more ps3s and would be switching to pc gaming.



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CGI-Quality said:
I can't believe this article could really anger so many people...

Regardless, good read dbot, as I wasn't aware of some of this stuff. The Playstation 3, though in 3rd place, isn't going anywhere, and that's a good thing. Now bring on some more games Sony!

I think the article challenges some core beliefs of the 360 fans.  They still like to say the PS3 doesn't move software, that 50% of PS3 sales are as Blu-ray players, and third party support is starting to drop off for the PS3.  The reality is much different if you look at sales data, third party publishers financial reports, and the fact that the PS3 is getting third party exclusives.

 

CGI - How many more announced games do you need for the PS3?  There are a ton of great games coming in 2009 alone.



Thanks for the input, Jeff.

 

 

Baggins said:

He's wrong on all counts.

 

modding a 360 for playing copies is harder than...

 

PS1, Dreamcast, Saturn, PS2...It's the hardest so far.

There are "no solder" chips available for all those devices and no messing around with software in dos and...well I wouldn't say any of them are "hard" it's just the 360 is a lot more time consuming first time.

 

Are u kidding?

U don't even need a chip for the 360. Only take out the DVD, plug it in via SATA and flash the firmware. Granted that LiteOn needs a Xcuter kit and takes 2 more minutes but otherwise it case max 10-15 minutes to flash a 360.....no soldering, no chips, only 6 screws.

And all 360 DVDs can be flashed in Windows enviroment with Jungleflasher. For BenQ and Samsung it's 2 clicks and 1 minute. With LiteOn it's 3 clicks and 1 minute. With Hitachi it's 2 click 2 minutes.

Both Wii and Xbox 1 takes longer time, and PS2 also.

PS1 is equal, don't know about Dreamcast.

- NO SOLDERING, NO CHIPS = NO COSTS
- Flash with onboard SATA port (every DVD besides LiteON) = Everyone can do it at home
- Crewless chassi with 6 Torx crews to open -= easy as hell to open
- Alla drives can be flashed in Vista/98/XP in a userfiendly GUI = No need for geeky DOS commands.

Clearly you have no clue on how easy modding is on the 360.



Predictions for 2009:

360: 39-42 PS3: 31-34 Wii: 67-70

Future projection

Wii will hit 100 million before christmas 2010 (made december 2008)

NDS Family will have sold and shipped more then PS2 at the end of 2009 (made january 2009)