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naiyo said:
Roflinator said:

I don't get it though, why did you bash Metroid Prime 3 for not having online?

Multiplayer is not even the point of the series.

 

Oh come on! If it had it and a good one, you and everyone else would have love it and it would have sold more.

At that time, everyone was looking for a good multiplayer FPS on the wii.  That was suppose to be it.

Metroid is not a FPS (and not realizing that is what ruined the DS version).

Anyway, we're highly offtopic. Your speech should include words like "Wii", "Madworld", "doomed", "casuals", and stuff like that, not Metroid ;)



     

 

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naiyo said:
Roflinator said:

I don't get it though, why did you bash Metroid Prime 3 for not having online?

Multiplayer is not even the point of the series.

 

Oh come on! If it had it and a good one, you and everyone else would have love it and it would have sold more.

At that time, everyone was looking for a good multiplayer FPS on the wii.  That was suppose to be it.

...Then I guess you have no clue what Metroid is actually about, do you?

Metroid Prime isn't a FPS. The series focuses heavily on exploration, puzzles and some other things. (especially exploration and puzzles)

Sure online would be cool, but there's nothing wrong with Metroid being a single player game.



Phoenix_Wiight said:
naiyo said:
Roflinator said:

I don't get it though, why did you bash Metroid Prime 3 for not having online?

Multiplayer is not even the point of the series.

 

Oh come on! If it had it and a good one, you and everyone else would have love it and it would have sold more.

At that time, everyone was looking for a good multiplayer FPS on the wii.  That was suppose to be it.

 

 no, he's completley right. games NEED online to be good. thats why every game on any system from the NES to PS2 sucks, because they don't have online. yea. thats it.

 

So I'm guessing then all consoles this gen blow. I getcha.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Did anyone really expect it to sell well? I seem to remember a prediction thread in here somewhere (concerning The Conduit and Madworld) and no one seemed to think Madworld would do very well.
I think I mentioned something along the lines of 500k lt sales or some such but I think I might actually be buying this game myself one day!



theprof00 said:
Khuutra said:
theprof00 said:

I know you guys like to lump me in with the other fanboys but I really do have a point here.

I don't know if you remember NES or SNES, but every single game was appealing. Pilotwings, Link to the past, battletoads, gijoe, tmnt,bubble bobble, final fight, Mortal Kombat, chrono trigger, romance of the three kingdoms, wild guns, double dragon, earthbound, demons crest, aladdin, castlevania, killer instinct, duck tales, ghosts and goblins, CONTRA, final fantasy, earthworm jim.... where is the diversity?

It was so sweet back in the day....

Even in the GC era I started to notice the quality going down but that didn't stop me from creaming every time I saw this

 

Even this is gone.. I just don't feel like it's cool anymore...

 

Look, I know those rose-tinted glasses are appealing, but you need to take them off to look at those libraries.

Much of it is flesh-colored and unappetizing.

NES and SNES had a massive amount of crap, too.

if you say so

 

Wait so you actually enjoyed crap like Deadly Towers!?

 



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Wait a minute. I didn't say all games need online? Look lets just drop it. It was just my opinion anyway. I never said metroid was bad too. I like the metroid series. Well more the 2-d ones than the 3-d but i'm saying that online multiplayer would have be great for prime 3.



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@theprof00, just watch most of Angry Video Game Nerd videos to find some horrible NES titles.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M_4Yqk65f8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y306cWw98a4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DfdRdOM_B0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkNvQYiM6bw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLVGmvmNitg

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/23316.html



naiyo said:
Wait a minute. I didn't say all games need online? Look lets just drop it. It was just my opinion anyway. I never said metroid was bad too. I like the metroid series. Well more the 2-d ones than the 3-d but i'm saying that online multiplayer would have be great for prime 3.

 

You complained Metroid Prime 3 sold well.



"15 million Mario Kart Wiis say hi (which is higher than any other "traditional game" this generation, I might add)"


Admitted. I'm not going to say that 11 million multiplat for GTA IV and 9 million for Halo 3 are higher than 15 million. It isn't a new mature audiences ip from a studio other than Nintendo though. Maybe I should have qualified the statement by adding the word mature audiences, but since we were talking about Madworld and how it hasn't had strong sales like amost every other new mature audiences ip on the Wii I kind of figured it was a given.


"8.5 million SSBBs say hi (third best-selling "traditional game" this generation)"

Same thing I pointed out with Mario Kart Wii. Neither one of these top two you've listed are better than Mario Galaxy, yet they have both sold better.

"8 million SMGs say hi (fourth best-selling "traditional game" this generation)"

Considering its the best game on the Wii and other games like the ones you've listed above and Wii Fit, Wii Sports, and Wii Play have sold so well, then you would have thought that it would have sold even better by now. Not selling as well as those other games is a bad sign for core games on the Wii because it developers could view creating games like those with the better sales to be more in their own interest.

"5 million TPs say hi"

Like Mario Galaxy, it is the second best game on the system. You would have thought that the game would have legs like the inferior Wii series games even though the Gamecube might have cut into the Wii versions original sales, the Gamecube has been retired for going on three years now, so after the Gamecube's retirement, why didn't TP Wii continue to sell like the inferior Mario Kart Wii or Wii Play?

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"3 million Animal Crossings say hi"


"2.75 million Super Paper Marios say hi"


2 million Sonic and the Secret Rings say hi

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The 3 examples above are very poor signs for the Wii. Wario Shake It! can also be thrown into their mix. These numbers for games which review wise are just as good as the Wii series games or better yet are selling much worse encourage developers' to create more Wii series type games than these types of games. In many instances you even see Playstation 3 games having better sales than these games with 30 million fewer PS3 owners.


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1.66 million RE4s say hi

1.5 million Metroid Prime 3s say hi

1.3 million Pokemon Battle Revolutions say hi

1.25 million RE: UCs say hi

1.2 million Star Wars: TFUs ay hi

1.1 million Red Steels say hi

1 million COD: WAWs say hi

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These are all games that should have sold many times more than they did considering such factors as review scores for the games in comparison to other games that have sold better yet received worse review scores on the Wii. For the system's 28th, 41st, and 65th best game to sell 15 to 40 times better than the system's 6th and 8th best game is inexcusable. And the last time I checked sales for SWTFU on PS3 and Wii were virtually identical even with the 30 million difference in install base. Resident Evil 5 combined on 360 and PS3 have almost passed the sales of RE4 Wii in two weeks while the Wii version has been out close to a year. And in close to three weeks, Killzone 2's sales are up there with these Wii shooters. Not to mention a new ip like Uncharted having 3 times these numbers on the PS3.

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"Not to mention, there are many games that were successes without passing the million mark - No More Heroes, de Blob, Wario Land: Shake It, and so on. The first two I know are successful in the eyes of the developper, and I'm sure Nintendo can't be too unhappy with the sales of Wario Land."

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PS3 and 360 versions of many of these games like Madworld, Okami, Zack and Wiki, and No More Heroes can still be made to offset their poor sales on the Wii console. No More Heroes despite its poor sales has attracted a cult following indicating the game could succeed in other types of media. But how long will developers continue to put much money in these types of games on Wii when other types of games sell so much better? If The Conduit doesn't pass 500,000 this could be the end of these types of new ips being developed for the Wii.


"Of course, traditional games don't sell on Wii, just like hardcore games don't sell on Wii, and third party games don't sell on Wii, and only casual games and shovelware sell on Wii. ~_~"

You're right, but I don't think that was Nintendo's original intention with the Wii. I think they were surprised by the Wii's success and that accounts for the lack of vision at their E3 2008 conference as they ponder what types of games to bring to the system.



Heavens to Murgatoids.

Khuutra said:
theprof00 said:
Khuutra said:
theprof00 said:

if you say so

http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=13925&region=All

This rabbit hole goes awfully deep.

I'm not going to argue how I feel.

You think there was crap, I think that the good is better than most system's libraries. Please drop the subject, you're not going to prove anything to me abut this topic.

Look, you're free to leave whenever you want, but can you blame me for doing a double take when you claim that every piece of software on the NES and SNES was desirable?

because that's exactly what i said