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scottie said:

@ Okey - can you point out an instance where a movie release gave a hardware boost to a console? or where a demo did? I think people are overestimating that bundle. And I think you are underestimating the impact of the sheer number of great JRPGs the Wii has coming this year, namely the ones I mentioned and the ones Soriku mentioned.

Um, it's an FFXIII demo...

Games like Kizuna and Muramasa will struggle to break 100k. They're not even worth mentioning in this discussion.



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scottie said:
@ AJ_habfan Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that things like Kizuna and Muramasa are shit. I thought they were incredibly awesome. Actually, I just checked your game collection and I can safely say that you and the average Japanese gamer have extremely different tastes

@ Okey - can you point out an instance where a movie release gave a hardware boost to a console? or where a demo did? I think people are overestimating that bundle. And I think you are underestimating the impact of the sheer number of great JRPGs the Wii has coming this year, namely the ones I mentioned and the ones Soriku mentioned.

@ point x - my point is that there is no reason to be scared of the PS3 (partially because scared is the wrong word for this situation, I had a Gamecube last gen and would not describe losing in sales or lacking 3rd party exclusives as scary :P) but also because the Wii is very much going to outsell the PS3 this year

I think you severly underestimate the power of Final Fantasy fanboys that NEED the speaical limited FF7 Ps3.

OT: I think people are overreacting, but it sure is something when Japan totally goes against the rest of the world.



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scottie said:

There're a lot of threads floating around at the moment asking question like

 

Time to lower the price of the Wii in Japan?

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=63156&page=2

 

Yakuza 3/Killzone 2 the beginning of Sony's global reign.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=62985

 

Well I am starting this thread too talk about why I believe the Wii will do very well in Japan in upcoming months.

 

Obviously, the sales for the week ending the 8th will be very PS360 heavy due to RE:5, I'm refering to weeks after this.

 

Looking through the Japanese releases, and only considering games that will appeal to the Japanese, ignoring games that wont have much impact and ignoring the portables

 

March 9th - End of March

Wii - Wiimake of Pikmin 2  60k +/- First week

Wii - Sonic and the Black Knight Less than 10k first week

Wii - Phantom Brave (RPG, port of a PS2 game)  25 - 30k first week?

Ps3's biggest game is probably Musou Orochi Z, which I imagine will sell very few units 100k+ first week

360's only release is Quantum of Solace 1k first week?

Add Suzumiya Haruhi for the Wii

 

April

Heavy competition with the PC game Brett :P

PS3 has Killzone - but I doubt that will sell much in Japan Also has the FFVII:ACC + FFXIII Demo Bundle will sellout

Wii has Monster Hunter port  Really don't know what to expect, but could sell decent due to MH3 Demo

Wii has Muramasa  Odin Sphere was a niche game

Add Deca Sports 2 for the Wii

 

May

Wii has Kizuna  Could go either way, but after the sales of Rune Factory Frontier and Fragile I have to wonder. This seems better though

Wii has PES soccer (winning eleven) which is huge, but it's a late port    Sales will be minimum, too late since the next PES is around the corner

360 has Mass Effect and a baseball game  Dinasty Warrior 5 Empires

PS3 has no release scheduled  Dinasty Warriors 5 Empires is a big game (DW5 sold more than 400k in Japan on the PS3)

 

June

Only scheduled release is Arc Rise Fantasia for the Wii  Could go either way, but will definitely sell more than 100k

 

July

Metal gear Online for the PS3  1k LTD? Add King of Fighters XII and BlazBlue to both PS3 and 360

No Wii or 360 releases yet

 

Rest of Year

No releases announced (with a specific date)

 

And then Nintendo is also releasing Sin and Punishment, Punch Out, Endless Ocean 2, Wii Sports Resort, Metroid Prime 2 Wiimake and a few others. You chose the wrong ones. Wii has WSR, DQX, Tales of Ten, Vallalha Knights, Little Kings Story, Samurai Warriors 3, MH3, FFCC:TCB... though they aren't coming anytime soon. (MH3 is coming before October, but what does the Wii have until then?)

PS3 has GT5, FFXIII, FFvsXIII, The Last Remnant, God of War 3, Tekken 6, Dead Rising 2, Bayonetta

 

If anyone still believes that the Wii will have a bad year in 2009, give some reasoning for it. No one says the Wii will have a bad year. Just bad in comparison to the previous 2 years, since for the first half it will be selling really bad in comparison. 2nd half may be different, but with Nintendo not announcing anything big besides WSR and with most of the third party big games not out this year, it's reasonable to expect decreasing sales and people getting worried. Nintendo doesn't seem to care in JAPAN. It's nowhere else, though it could be happening.

 

 



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Soriku said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:
scottie said:

@ Okey - can you point out an instance where a movie release gave a hardware boost to a console? or where a demo did? I think people are overestimating that bundle. And I think you are underestimating the impact of the sheer number of great JRPGs the Wii has coming this year, namely the ones I mentioned and the ones Soriku mentioned.

Um, it's an FFXIII demo...

Games like Kizuna and Muramasa will struggle to break 100k. They're not even worth mentioning in this discussion.


So? They'll still provide a steady boost.

And even if you take those out you still have the MHs, FFCC, ARF, Wii Sports, SW3, and so on.

Btw, I don't like your new avatar.

You don't like women?

And while those will sell pretty well (outside of ARF), Wii Sports is the only one that might outsell FF13.



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People aren't overreacting. Look at the year over year sales. The PS3 is doing fine there. The 360 is doing excellently. The Wii is doing oh-my-freakin'-god-there-really-is-no-hope.

Take this week for example:

http://vgchartz.com/japweekly.php?date=39544&console=&maker=&disp=Japanese+Name&boxartz=2

Titles on Sony systems dominated the Top 5, and the Wii had no new releases of any real significance. And yet it still sold 45k that week. If you wanted to do exactly year over year, the Wii sold 65k the week ending March 1st, 2008. No big releases, just Brawl's fifth week on the charts.



 

 

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Soriku said:
Yeah. The Wii also has Samurai Warriors 3 as an exclusive which is really big in Japan (I think SW2 it was that sold 1 mil in Japan alone on the PS2). Also, MH3 comes out in Summer. Also some other RPGs like Valhalla Knights will help. And FFCC: TCB which will probably come out this year (I think if FF XIII doesn't come out this year it's a good substitute).

I looked this one up for you.

Samurai Warriors 1 sold over a million on PS2.

Samurai Warriors 2 sold less than half of the first one despite being a better game. (570k lifetime)

So, I'd expect anywhere from 300-500k lifetime for the Wii version.



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Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
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April

Heavy competition with the PC game Brett :P

PS3 has Killzone - but I doubt that will sell much in Japan

Wii has Monster Hunter port

Wii has Muramasa

PS3 - Final Fantasy VII Advent Children Complete incl. Final Fantasy XIII demo

May

Wii has Kizuna

Wii has PES soccer (winning eleven) which is huge, but it's a late port

360 has Mass Effect and a baseball game

PS3 has no release scheduled


PS3 - Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Empires
PS3 - The Last Guy
PS3 - HAWX
360 - Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Empires

Dengeki software releases:

Excluding re-releases

March:

PS3 - Musou OROCHI Z
PS3 - Quantum of Solace
PS3 - NBA 2K9
Wii - Sim city party and I
Wii - Sonic and the Dark Knight
Wii - Phantom Brave Wii
Wii - Wii play PIKUMIN 2
Wii - UICHIA
Wii - WINTER SPORTS 2009-THE NEXT CHALLENGE
Wii - Darts Wii DX
Wii - PGA TOUR 09 ALL‐PLAY Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 09 ALL-PLAY
Wii - Monopoly
Wii - Powerful Pro baseball commentator NEXT
Wii - Quantum of Solace
Wii - Parallel of Haruhi Suzumiya
Wii - UIRIBUREIKAZU rendition FAIBUDIZU Yu Wang
360 - 007 / reward of comfort
360 - NBA 2K9

April:

PS3 - Winning Post World
PS3 - The Godfather II
PS3 - Final Fantasy VII Advent Children Complete incl. Final Fantasy XIII demo
PS3 - KILLZONE 2
PS3 - Age of Geographical Discovery Online ~ Cruz del Sur ~
PS3 - NHL 2K9
PS3 - X Blade
Wii - Winning Post World
Wii - The Wii DOARA
Wii - Village朧positive
Wii - DECA SPORTS 2
Wii - Monster Hunter G Incl. Monster Hunter 3 demo
Wii - March MEJAMAJI
Wii - Tomb Raider: Underworld
Wii - PAWAFURUMEJARIGU live 2009
360 - 11eyes CrossOver
360 - The Godfather II
360 - In The Movies
360 - Death Smiles
360 - HAWX
360 - NHL 2K9
360 - X Blade

May:

PS3 - Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Empires
PS3 - HAWX
Wii - Winning Eleven Play Maker 2009
Wii - Gold bond
360 - MLB 2K9
360 - Mass Effect
360 - Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Empires



I WANT THEEEEEEEEEE FF7 AC PS3!!!!!!!!! :(.

It comes with advent children complete, i want! i want! i want!



@Soriku

wtf Elisha Cuthbert is not fat... :)

@trestres

A lot of games you listed on Wii and PS3 are not gonna be out this year



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

@Saicho: I never said they were...



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Pandora's Tower will sell less than 100k lifetime in Japan.
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