| appolose said: ^ But in that case, we could never use scientific laws, since we could always discover something later. |
Oh no, not you again 
joking
Dude needs to know what he's talking about before he actually talks. The fact that entropy is always increasing applies to the universe as a whole, however specific regions can exist where entropy is increasing (over a limited period of time).
| appolose said: ^ But in that case, we could never use scientific laws, since we could always discover something later. |
That's like saying we shouldn't use computers because we will invent better computers in the future.
Why would we use science in the first place if it wasn't constantly improving? Isn't that the purpose of science, to continually strive towards a greater understanding of natural phenomena? You say it like its a BAD thing that science continues to refine and develop new models. To me, I am happy that scientists are willing to abandon older theories for new ones because it means they are making progress.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
Now don't get me wrong, I believe in God, but idiots like this guy make us Christians look like idiots.
Just so you know not all religious people are idiots, just some.
akuma587 said:
That's like saying we shouldn't use computers because we will invent better computers in the future. Why would we use science in the first place if it wasn't constantly improving? Isn't that the purpose of science, to continually strive towards a greater understanding of natural phenomena? You say it like its a BAD thing that science continues to refine and develop new models. To me, I am happy that scientists are willing to abandon older theories for new ones because it means they are making progress. |
On top of that, you don't have to understand the forces that create things like gravity to understand the rules and principles that emanate from said force.
After all, several hundred years later, we still think Newton was right. His laws still stand, even though we don't fully comprehend the forces that cause his laws to be true.
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| coolestguyever said: Now don't get me wrong, I believe in God, but idiots like this guy make us Christians look like idiots. Just so you know not all religious people are idiots, just some. |
No emotionally balanced person would believe all religious people are idiots.
Most scientists, even today, believe in some form of monotheistic deity. The two are not exclusive, though idiots tend to heavily overlap into one and not the other.
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rocketpig said:
On top of that, you don't have to understand the forces that create things like gravity to understand the rules and principles that emanate from said force. After all, several hundred years later, we still think Newton was right. His laws still stand, even though we don't fully comprehend the forces that cause his laws to be true.
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Absolutely. For your run of the mill problem involving gravity Newton's laws still work just fine. There is no way he could have figured out relativity at that stage of the game. And even the theory of general relativity is an imperfect theory, so even Einstein didn't get it completely right.
That is really one of the best things about science, that it is a collaborative effort. You really do see progress made by a group of incredibly talented and incredibly motivated people who devote their lives to learning more about the world.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
Exactly. Some day, people will look at Einstein and Hawking the same way we do Newton today. A simplistic theory, based on results, that is ultimately "not flawed", but not complete either.
In short, science is flawed. In long, it's right. If we skated around on the viewpoint that science can't prove anything, we'd still call Venus a "wandering star".
If you know the reference without Googling it, you get my point.
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| coolestguyever said: Now don't get me wrong, I believe in God, but idiots like this guy make us Christians look like idiots. Just so you know not all religious people are idiots, just some. |
Haha, don't worry. I think we all know 99.9% are not like this guy and understand the laws of thermodynamics.
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