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Pristine20 on 08 March 2009
RolStoppable said:
Pristine20 said:
RolStoppable said:

What you describe wasn't much of a feat, because the PlayStation was released at a time when the first generation of kids who grew up with videogames was old enough to have a job and therefore an income. It was the natural progress of things.

Additionally, if you compare the PS1 numbers to the NES numbers (difference of 40m), the growth came mainly from Europe and Others (about 32m). Factor in ten years of population growth in the USA, the rise of multiconsole ownership (because the kids who grew up on videogames had an income now) and there wasn't a major expansion, at least not in the sense of growing existing markets which was the main criteria when I compiled this list.

Yes it was. Many grew out of gaming because it was "for kids". Nintendo was still offering the same old which allowed sony to hammer them to death with their "for kids" referendum.

The only difference your additional logic adds is the fact that the "kid Only" logo is stricter in some countries than others. Don't forget that when the nes was around, it was the only viable console but the ps1 had competition from even nintendo itself and was basically the "new kid on the block" competing with established brands. It probably didn't acquire any mario or zelda lovers or old sonic fans so I'd say that more than 50% of ps1 owners were the new adult gamers.

Those who "grew out" of gaming went already to Sega who labeled Nintendo as being "for kids" before Sony. Microsoft is using the same tactic as well.

What is the "kids only" logo?

Many Sega and Nintendo fans bought a PlayStation because the majority of third party games went there. Some even settled for only the PS1 because they weren't allowed to own or couldn't buy more than one console.

You are crazy in assuming that more than 50 % of PS1 owners were adults. The majority of gamers were still kids and teens.

 

I should have written "new adult gamers"in quotes as I menat people interested in primarily adult games not necessarily adults themselves.

Sega was very much like nintendo as their offerings were similar. They never really catered consistently to mature interests till the dreamcast.

''kids only" is a logo nintendo's competition attached to them.

Sure sega fans went PS but I'd argue against nintendo fans because they seem to love nintendos offerings far more than anything a 3rd party can ever offer over and over again. Need proof, just read your own posts on this site.

 

 

 



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tehsage on 08 March 2009

Could someone please explain why the SNES should be listed? I don't see why.



atma998 on 08 March 2009
Pristine20 said:
RolStoppable said:
Pristine20 said:
RolStoppable said:

What you describe wasn't much of a feat, because the PlayStation was released at a time when the first generation of kids who grew up with videogames was old enough to have a job and therefore an income. It was the natural progress of things.

Additionally, if you compare the PS1 numbers to the NES numbers (difference of 40m), the growth came mainly from Europe and Others (about 32m). Factor in ten years of population growth in the USA, the rise of multiconsole ownership (because the kids who grew up on videogames had an income now) and there wasn't a major expansion, at least not in the sense of growing existing markets which was the main criteria when I compiled this list.

Yes it was. Many grew out of gaming because it was "for kids". Nintendo was still offering the same old which allowed sony to hammer them to death with their "for kids" referendum.

The only difference your additional logic adds is the fact that the "kid Only" logo is stricter in some countries than others. Don't forget that when the nes was around, it was the only viable console but the ps1 had competition from even nintendo itself and was basically the "new kid on the block" competing with established brands. It probably didn't acquire any mario or zelda lovers or old sonic fans so I'd say that more than 50% of ps1 owners were the new adult gamers.

Those who "grew out" of gaming went already to Sega who labeled Nintendo as being "for kids" before Sony. Microsoft is using the same tactic as well.

What is the "kids only" logo?

Many Sega and Nintendo fans bought a PlayStation because the majority of third party games went there. Some even settled for only the PS1 because they weren't allowed to own or couldn't buy more than one console.

You are crazy in assuming that more than 50 % of PS1 owners were adults. The majority of gamers were still kids and teens.

 

I should have written "new adult gamers"in quotes as I menat people interested in primarily adult games not necessarily adults themselves.

Sega was very much like nintendo as their offerings were similar. They never really catered consistently to mature interests till the dreamcast.

''kids only" is a logo nintendo's competition attached to them.

Sure sega fans went PS but I'd argue against nintendo fans because they seem to love nintendos offerings far more than anything a 3rd party can ever offer over and over again. Need proof, just read your own posts on this site.

 

 

 

Hey Pristine, what are you talking about with your ''new adult gamers'' and your ''more than 50% of ps1 owners were the new adult gamers'' ??? Sorry but that seems pure BS. Anybody can throw those kind of numbers without any piece of evidences.

 

 



atma998 on 08 March 2009
tehsage said:
Could someone please explain why the SNES should be listed? I don't see why.

 

 For the same reason PS2 should be listed I suppose.



Maynard_Tool on 08 March 2009

I only know that #1 should be the NES, saving the crash. Ps #2 for expanding the audience, and wait till this gen is over, probably wii can be #2 and put Ps #3, thanks to the great expansion wii is accomplishing.



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The Ghost of RubangB on 08 March 2009
tehsage said:
Could someone please explain why the SNES should be listed? I don't see why.

Shoulder buttons, Mode 7, best sound chip, FX chip, Donkey Kong Country.

But with Rol's criteria, it shouldn't be on there.

#8 should be N64 for the 4 player splitscreen games like GoldenEye 007, Mario Kart 64, Star Fox 64, and even the non-splitscreen Mario Party 1-3, which paved the way for future generations of nerds partying all night, 4 at a time.  The N64 era was the first time I heard groups of nerds referring to pulling a gaming all-nighter as "a party."  I think that's importang, regarding Rol's criteria.



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Pristine20 on 08 March 2009
atma998 said:
Pristine20 said:
RolStoppable said:
Pristine20 said:
RolStoppable said:

What you describe wasn't much of a feat, because the PlayStation was released at a time when the first generation of kids who grew up with videogames was old enough to have a job and therefore an income. It was the natural progress of things.

Additionally, if you compare the PS1 numbers to the NES numbers (difference of 40m), the growth came mainly from Europe and Others (about 32m). Factor in ten years of population growth in the USA, the rise of multiconsole ownership (because the kids who grew up on videogames had an income now) and there wasn't a major expansion, at least not in the sense of growing existing markets which was the main criteria when I compiled this list.

Yes it was. Many grew out of gaming because it was "for kids". Nintendo was still offering the same old which allowed sony to hammer them to death with their "for kids" referendum.

The only difference your additional logic adds is the fact that the "kid Only" logo is stricter in some countries than others. Don't forget that when the nes was around, it was the only viable console but the ps1 had competition from even nintendo itself and was basically the "new kid on the block" competing with established brands. It probably didn't acquire any mario or zelda lovers or old sonic fans so I'd say that more than 50% of ps1 owners were the new adult gamers.

Those who "grew out" of gaming went already to Sega who labeled Nintendo as being "for kids" before Sony. Microsoft is using the same tactic as well.

What is the "kids only" logo?

Many Sega and Nintendo fans bought a PlayStation because the majority of third party games went there. Some even settled for only the PS1 because they weren't allowed to own or couldn't buy more than one console.

You are crazy in assuming that more than 50 % of PS1 owners were adults. The majority of gamers were still kids and teens.

 

I should have written "new adult gamers"in quotes as I menat people interested in primarily adult games not necessarily adults themselves.

Sega was very much like nintendo as their offerings were similar. They never really catered consistently to mature interests till the dreamcast.

''kids only" is a logo nintendo's competition attached to them.

Sure sega fans went PS but I'd argue against nintendo fans because they seem to love nintendos offerings far more than anything a 3rd party can ever offer over and over again. Need proof, just read your own posts on this site.

 

 

 

Hey Pristine, what are you talking about with your ''new adult gamers'' and your ''more than 50% of ps1 owners were the new adult gamers'' ??? Sorry but that seems pure BS. Anybody can throw those kind of numbers without any piece of evidences.

 

 

"New adult gamers" = people lured in/back to experience the type of gaming ps1 offered. 50% was the best number my brain could calculate since nobody tracks this kind of data. If you have the evidence to prove otherwise, I'd like to see it as well.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

The Ghost of RubangB on 08 March 2009

@Rol, I think by "kids only log" he means something like "kids only stigma" or "kids only image." I think he's talking about the Sega/Sony/MS smear campaign, just as you are, but wording it awkwardly and taking it seriously.



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Pristine20 on 08 March 2009
RolStoppable said:
Pristine20 said:
RolStoppable said:

Those who "grew out" of gaming went already to Sega who labeled Nintendo as being "for kids" before Sony. Microsoft is using the same tactic as well.

What is the "kids only" logo?

Many Sega and Nintendo fans bought a PlayStation because the majority of third party games went there. Some even settled for only the PS1 because they weren't allowed to own or couldn't buy more than one console.

You are crazy in assuming that more than 50 % of PS1 owners were adults. The majority of gamers were still kids and teens.

I should have written "new adult gamers"in quotes as I menat people interested in primarily adult games not necessarily adults themselves.

Sega was very much like nintendo as their offerings were similar. They never really catered consistently to mature interests till the dreamcast.

''kids only" is a logo nintendo's competition attached to them.

Sure sega fans went PS but I'd argue against nintendo fans because they seem to love nintendos offerings far more than anything a 3rd party can ever offer over and over again. Need proof, just read your own posts on this site.

Mature interests, sure. Then you follow that with Sega didn't cater to that consistently before the Dreamcast. The Saturn had for the most part very similar games as the PS1. I fail to see how Sony's console was anymore "mature" than Sega's, except in the sheer number of games.

I have never heard of that "kids only" logo, must be an American thing. Maybe it made it's way to the UK, but not to central Europe. Not that it matters much.

I really don't think that there are many Nintendo fans like myself and I also don't think that a single person is representative for millions of gamers.

Notice how I also used the word "consistently". That may have something to do with the number of "quality titles". Maybe sega's ad campaign failed but there's a reason why sega couldn't lure anywhere near as many people as sony did. This is why sony gets the credit not sega.

I came up with the term "kids only" as a summary of what sony thought the public should think of ninty through their PR.

Yes there are millions of nintendo fans like yourself. This is why nintendo prospered during the N64 and GC eras.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Kantor on 08 March 2009

Your threads aren't funny anymore

Make another one like "Best videogame stories". Probably your best thread in the last month.



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