How do you define flop? It lost money? Bad sales? Low scores?

If so, I think IU also fits the bill of no one made money off of it.

How do you know IU lost money ?  The game itself is essentially just a cheap tech demo for the IU graphics engine. The engine development was no doubt expensive, but the cost will be split across several games including SO4. Apart from the graphics engine costs, Radiata Stories was probably more expensive than IU. It's a bigger game with much more content.

Anyway I don't really see your point. Lots of games lose money, and that was true for the previous generation as well. Do you think Radiata Stories and Romancing SaGa made money ?

My point was that it's unreasonable to expect IU and TLR to sell better (or score better) than the previous (PS2) games from the same development teams. Rational people don't suddenly expect an AAA game from a second rate development team.

JRPG fans should buy the 360!

Nah JRPG fans should still keep their PS2.

Seriously at the moment the only JRPG on x360 worth playing is LO especially considering ToV and SO4 is not released in europe.

I disagree, obviously, but whatever. I just always find it funny that people are complaining that their PS3 doesn't have enough JRPGs, bitching a blue streak whenever a new JRPG is announced for the 360 (even if they try to resassure themselves that the games aren't that good), and spending so much time on the interwebz going, "LOL ANOTHER FLOP!" But if they'd just get over their brand loyalty and purchase the console whose manufacture is going out of the way to get games in their favored genre, they could play some Japanese role-playing games instead of playing the waiting game.

I disagree, obviously, but whatever. I just always find it funny that people are complaining that their PS3 doesn't have enough JRPGs, bitching a blue streak whenever a new JRPG is announced for the 360 (even if they try to resassure themselves that the games aren't that good), and spending so much time on the interwebz going, "LOL ANOTHER FLOP!" But if they'd just get over their brand loyalty and purchase the console whose manufacture is going out of the way to get games in their favored genre, they could play some Japanese role-playing games instead of playing the waiting game.

I disagree, obviously, but whatever. I just always find it funny that people are complaining that their PS3 doesn't have enough JRPGs, bitching a blue streak whenever a new JRPG is announced for the 360 (even if they try to resassure themselves that the games aren't that good), and spending so much time on the interwebz going, "LOL ANOTHER FLOP!" But if they'd just get over their brand loyalty and purchase the console whose manufacture is going out of the way to get games in their favored genre, they could play some Japanese role-playing games instead of playing the waiting game.

Alright, now. So what were all those JRPG fans doing for the past 6 months? Nothing has been worth playing since Vesperia.

I haven't played SO yet, but if you think the 360 has a lot of JRPGs. Goodness, I'd like whatever you're smoking.