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Euphoria14 on 05 March 2009
Shadowblind said:
Euphoria14 said:

 

You all clearly do not understand what I am trying to say.I only brought up the Userbase argument because it was used heavily by 360 fans in the WKC Japan sales thread.

I am just giving a reason for why WKC can and most likely will sell well on the PS3.

I am getting attacked for it yet nobody has even given anywhere near a valid counterpoint as to why it won't.

Until then I can't be wrong.

What I am saying is why won't WKC sell great at launch seeing as how it is the PS3's first BIG exlusive JRPG meanwhile Lost Odyssey could? Mind you 360's weren't originally purchased for JRPGs back then, like how many claim PS3's were.

I know Lost Odyssey sold well because it was the first one not only this gen but the first on 360. It is actually the reason I picked up my 360 in February 2008.

 

People can come at me all they want, I am still yet to hear a valid counterpoint to prove my opinion wrong.

 

SO4 is also a flagship title by the way, WKC is a new IP, that is why I am comparing it to Lost Odyssey.

If new IP sells better on PS3 than new IP on 360 I am sure established franchise on PS3 would sell better than established franchise on 360.

Lost Odyssey on the 360 sold 56k in it's first week, even with your argument it still sells less than the first week sales of a new IP White Knight Chronicles if you triple it's sales.

Now do you understand?

 

New IP vs New IP.

 

 

 Your right damn straight I don't, your entire last post was a mess.

If we are arguing whether or not WKC can sell well on PS3 in US and Europe, then you can neither prove nor can we disprove anything. Frankly, based on your past posts I had no idea thats what we were arguing about here. So theres nothing we can say except "I think, I guess, I would presume, I believe" on this topic.

This New IP vs. New IP wouldn't mean jack to whether or not established franchises sell better then new IPs on PS3. Even if WKC sells 5 billion copies first day it doesn't mean a new Tales game or SO game on PS3 would even break 5k first day. Haven't the sales of Vesperia taught you anything? 

Though you are talking about Japan, right? Again, based on your last post I couldn't have known that. What I don't think you do understand is that in Japan, the market is too small based on the existing userbase to truly get a huge amount. 400k LTD may be huge for japan, but if it means barely passing 100k in other territories on a machine that is known for needing larger budgets for games that doesn't do much good profit wise now does it? 

Don't even bring SO4 into this argument. Its been out for one week and hasn't even been released in Other territories yet. Frankly this entire thread shouldn't be here for 5 more weeks. 

First of all I was comparing Lost Odyssey to WKC. I wasn't the one who brought up SO4, that was you so what are you talking about?

As for Vesperia, we know it has a history of sales because the Tales franchise is niche. I am not arguing that.

I don't know where you are going with this.

 

 

My argument is -

"Why is it that Lost Odyssey can sell well as the 360's first BIG JRPG yet White Knight Chronicles can not?"

Only thing is that I was actually bringing in something arguable to support my opinion and I was attacked for it right off the bat by Rei who at that same time wasn't even bringing up reasons for why I was wrong. Instead of trying to prove me wrong he instead started dishing out insults.

How hard is that to understand?

If someone brings up valid points to prove me wrong that is fine, that is why I am bringing it up in the first place. Not to say it is a guarantee, just that it could be very likely.

 



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darthdevidem01 on 05 March 2009
Undying said:
bugrimmar said:

A lot of people saying it was gonna sell well over a million or something on the first week.

 

 

Who the hell would say that? Thats almost as stupid as saying Killzone 2 would sell millions of copies week 1.

says the person who said LBP would sell 300K LTD & KZ2 1.2 Million LTD

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@all

 

GOD what a MESS OF A THREAD

I just don't feel like commenting

 



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Max King of the Wild on 05 March 2009

i lost out on 8 replies someon broke the last page



outlawauron on 05 March 2009
Rei said:
fabkazuya said:
With the cost of a next gen game so 4 is a massive flop, with no doubt.

 So is Valkyria Chronicles. And so is White Knight Story.

Despite extremenly successful launch in Japan and it hasn't released in America yet. How is it a flop yet?



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Max King of the Wild on 05 March 2009

this game lost a lot of sales and im not so sure ms' money covers it all.

it opened with a lower week than LO and probably wont have as long of legs considering LO was praised by 360 owners that probably sold through word of mouth. (from what i see and hear SO4 isnt as good)

so my guess less than 550k in US

it will most likely crawl to 250k in japan. thats less than 800k. compare that to the 1.29million 3 sold (no euro numbers for either) and se lost 500k sales. unless MS paid more than 15mil the exclusive deal wasnt worth it. especially if they are planning a 5th game



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twesterm on 05 March 2009
Rei said:
Euphoria14 said:
Rei said:
Euphoria14 said:
Rei said:
Euphoria14 said:
jpain333 said:
Max King of the Wild said:

 

 

 

Read what I wrote to Shadowblind. You show me an exclusive JRPG released on the PS3.

You have nothing on me pal. Keep trying. I am bringing up fact, you have brought up nothing yet.

 

You have nothing but your hopes. Basically, you act as if some major PS3 exclusive jRPG has already got released and turned into a major success. But guess what? Nothing like this has happened.

   But then again, isnt "Believe" a key word for PS fanboys? keep believing them, but dont pretend like you know for a fact that PS3 seels jRPGs better if you have nothing buy your hopes to prove it.

 

 

Whatever bro. I am hitting you with numbers, you know, FACTS!

You are coming back with empty words.

So the first JRPG for the 360 can sell big but the first JRPG for the PS3 can't?

Talk about your double standards pal.

Who is more credible here?

Come back when you have a real argument.

Like I said before, if exclusive SJRPG already sell better on the PS3 what makes you assume that exclusive JRPG's won't sell good either? Try answering that one. I am at least giving a valid argument, you're not giving a valid counter point.

You're toast.

   What facts? The only thing I see from you is your assumption and hopes that some "PS3 exclusive jRPG" will appear and sell better than jRPGs on 360. Nothing more. No attempts for a discussion. No facts.

   You're a tool.

 

Please do not insult other users, it really gets nothing done.

 



 

ChichiriMuyo on 05 March 2009

The last two SO games sold over a million WW, this one doesn't look like it's going to get all that close. Methinks that's a bad decision on SE's part.  Ther series' sales have dropped by more than 50% in Japan, and while data is sketchy here it looks like the TLH is an even smaller % of NA sales when compared to TTET.  Then when you factor in the general dislike of RPGs in Europe, well... this game is going to be the worst selling in the series since the first.



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blazinhead89 on 05 March 2009
mrstickball said:
I think it's far too early to really be proclaiming anything. Do we know what Star Ocean 3's launch was like in NA? PAL?

We only have 3 weeks worth of data - 1 NA week, and 2 JP weeks. That's really not enough to base a lot off of. Is 60k in NA a disappointment? Yes. All we can do is hope that the NPD adjustments push it higher.

Nevertheless, Star Ocean 4 had the 2nd best NA launch, and the best JP launch of any 360 JRPG. PAL will be an interesting launch, but we'll have to see.

BTW, if your going to bash SO4 sales on 3 weeks worth of data, we might as well begin to bash failzone 2, as well. Since it was a massive dissapointment with it's budget costs.

Nice example to lead by. Can you blame people for trolling when they see Mods doing this. Shows off a great image to the vgchartz user. It also gives the respectable mods a bad name.

Shadowblind on 05 March 2009
blazinhead89 said:
mrstickball said:
I think it's far too early to really be proclaiming anything. Do we know what Star Ocean 3's launch was like in NA? PAL?

We only have 3 weeks worth of data - 1 NA week, and 2 JP weeks. That's really not enough to base a lot off of. Is 60k in NA a disappointment? Yes. All we can do is hope that the NPD adjustments push it higher.

Nevertheless, Star Ocean 4 had the 2nd best NA launch, and the best JP launch of any 360 JRPG. PAL will be an interesting launch, but we'll have to see.

BTW, if your going to bash SO4 sales on 3 weeks worth of data, we might as well begin to bash failzone 2, as well. Since it was a massive dissapointment with it's budget costs.

 

Nice example to lead by. Can you blame people for trolling when they see Mods doing this. Shows off a great image to the vgchartz user. It also gives the respectable mods a bad name.

Mods are humans too. Personally I have yet to see Mrstickball troll first anywhere. Based on what i've seen though here, stickball seems pretty standard when it comes to mods bias here. Instead of simply outwardly saying it though, other mods will simply ban you for saying any negative opinion against what they personally like, Wii fit being my personal experience anyway. So to me, mods like stickball and makingmusic, while bias(as most humans are), are probably the best we have here imo. VGChartz does have seemingly unbiased mods here too, but they are vastly overshadowed and outnumbered.

 



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mrstickball on 06 March 2009
blazinhead89 said:
mrstickball said:
I think it's far too early to really be proclaiming anything. Do we know what Star Ocean 3's launch was like in NA? PAL?

We only have 3 weeks worth of data - 1 NA week, and 2 JP weeks. That's really not enough to base a lot off of. Is 60k in NA a disappointment? Yes. All we can do is hope that the NPD adjustments push it higher.

Nevertheless, Star Ocean 4 had the 2nd best NA launch, and the best JP launch of any 360 JRPG. PAL will be an interesting launch, but we'll have to see.

BTW, if your going to bash SO4 sales on 3 weeks worth of data, we might as well begin to bash failzone 2, as well. Since it was a massive dissapointment with it's budget costs.

Nice example to lead by. Can you blame people for trolling when they see Mods doing this. Shows off a great image to the vgchartz user. It also gives the respectable mods a bad name.

You know, before attacking me, you could of read the next 10 posts I made that described why I used this terminology. Furthermore, you could of read the post to understand why I said what I did. Are you merely upset that I replaced Kill with fail? If so, you should of read the rest of my post, which kind of explains it.

I'll re-iterate in case you didn't read my other posts: It was an obvious chide at those who used the word. Some people have said Killzone 2 failed with a 750k opening, despite the massive marketing and PR behind the game. Others argue that it's the same opening as Call of Duty: World at War. Who is correct? The real answer is 'neither'. We can't call Killzone much of anything at the moment. It has 1 week under it's belt in the West, and really hasn't given us a real indicator of where it is going to go. The pro-KZ side will say "It debuted near World at War! It will do great!" without the understanding that it could have horrible legs, ala Haze, or many other FPSes on the market. Likewise, someone wrongfully calling it 'failzone 2' or saying that 750k was bad is also wrong, because it could indeed have massive legs like World at War, and sell 3-4m. At that kind of number, it'd be hard to find many people say it was a failure, correct?

I apologize if you think I was trying to call KZ2 a failure, because I wasn't. Read the rest of my post. The whole issue is that everyone wants to argue 1 week worth of data, and it's not a good idea. Because we can play that game with KZ2 and come to a lot of conclusions (both pro and con). Did SO4's debut underperform in NA? Yes. Does that mean it's going to have bad legs and be a failure? Maybe. Maybe not. We can't really say. TLR has had pretty good legs, and great PAL data as well, as has Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey (all of which had good SO-style marketing). Does that mean it'll have a 6x+ multiplier? Possibly, but with 1 week of NA data, we can't say. Let's wait for another 2 weeks. If SO4 drops below 10k a on Week 3, then it's pretty obvious that SO4 isn't going to track well.

Now, in that statement, how is that setting a wrong example?

 



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