I can dig up about 500 articles about Killzone 2's budget, but most are rumors. There are maybe a half-dozen games that have budgets that have been divuldged by their developer, since that info (like downloadable sales numbers) are kept under lock and key. So what do we have to go off of?

A few more:

• http://www.digitalbattle.com/2006/11/28/killzone-ps3-info/  - Site claims that as of November 2006, Killzone 2 already had 120+ staff working on production (pretty damning for a low-budget, no?). If GG never added a single employee to that list, and never spent a dime before that day, we come out with $28.8 million using a $10k/mo salary for the average employee. I'd say that's an absolute minimum baseline, but it's probably far more since work most likely began Nov 2006, and the employee size may have increased past the 120 people.
• Then we have the Surfer Girl rumor that stated that KZ2's budget went from $30m to $60m, and was going to miss the Fall 2008 timeframe (this was reported in early 2008): http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/2503.html   She was right about the timeframe, I wonder if she was right about the dev costs too? Given the previous point about staffing, it may be plausible the budget was $50-60m

But we're getting off topic here. I still think it's hard to argue where SO4 will go after 1 week of NA, and 2 weeks of JP data. It could do very well, it could bomb. I think that this thread is somewhat premature, though.

And you're acting like VC and SO4 are on equal footing even though VC is a totally different sub genre of JRPG that has never gotten great sales and had absolutely no advertising.  I've seen commercials for SO4 atleast 5 times, wanna take a guess how many times I saw TV ads for VC?  I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with sun, or tilch, or hero.

I bet most of these bored sony brainwashed fanboys would orgasm if this comes out on PS3.

10k monthly,,, more like 8k... lol surfergirl. the preview builds that were released before fall prove fall date could have been met. so i must believe sony was telling the truth when they said they pushed it back to free up the holiday a bit. im sure they worked on it that whole time waiting for release but doubt it was 120 employees. and in order for surfergirls rumor to be true they would to of been almost done with the game then scrap everything and start over again. and i doubt they got 3 years worth of work done in a few months

You do realize the only reason people get on them like that is because originally it was the 360 fans who said the PS3 couldn't sell JRPGs. Now that they are continuosly getting proven wrong it has reverted to damage control.

In WKC case, right off the bat sales were shot down with arguments like "install base", yet when I made my comparison above it seems that the argument no matter matters in this case. They can't have it both ways.

@Shadowblind

About TLR.

Check this from this very same thread. I guess you chose to ignore this huh?

Who said this to you? Microsofts Marquee franchises are usually funded by them alone.

I'm sorry, I was unaware that we are still living in 2008. At the same time I suppose I should have ignored this post in the first place as well, as you seem to have ignored my response, albeit a short one, to Max. Though I would like you to point me to all these great selling PS3 JRPGs while your at it.

Continiously getting proven wrong? how? did I miss something? Is there a load of PS3 jRPGs with great sales hiding somewhere?

Most? Try all of them. Your budget point is moot because no actual data is known. You are trying to make your point on speculation alone.

Like I said with KZ2, it is charting higher than it's predecessor on a much smaller install base. If you were seriously expecting Gears 2 and/or Halo 3 numbers you are out of your mind.

Gears 2 launched after a game with a 5M+ userbase and critical acclaim, which was gained due to being the first HUGE game on the 360, I don't need to try and prove that you will find many many many people who will say Gears was the first 360 game they ever played. Halo 3 launched after a 7M+ per title franchise that is pretty much part of the American gaming culture at this point.

Killzone 2 is launching after a game with 2M+ lifetime sales and a 71 Metascore and was regarded as a very mediocre game.

So less than half the sales of Gears 1 is what Killzone 1 1 got.

Less than half the sales of Gears 2 is what Killzone 2 got.

I think that is far from a failure Mr. Stickball.

Also remember KZ2 had 1.1M pre-orders in EU+Others, so that is already another 750k tacked on top of the 350k in terms of money in Sony's pocket. If it sold at least 750k-1M store pre-orders in the US then I am sure Sony is already on their way to making profit with a possible 2M copies shipped to retail.

How easily people forget this.

Show me an exclusive PS3 JRPG first.

Not a SRPG.