makingmusic476 said: Rainbird said: Staude said: Rainbird said: fulcizombie said: I love how games like socom, heavenly sword, motorstorm 2 , R&C and more are considered.......million sellers . Anyway based on 1) NPD numbers , 2) Weekly famitsu/media crate charts , 3) Various weekly european charts ps3 exclusives are doing terribly . What? Nobody said Socom or Motorstorm: PR were million sellers. And secondly, how are Heavenly Sword and R&CF:ToD (I assume you mean this one) not million sellers? Both games are in the Platinum-range in Europe.   It is a awesome game that deserves it though :P Very true, and it will get there eventually It'll probably break a million by July.

I just looked at its weekly sales, and it seems to be rising in Others while falling in America, and rising faster than falling. Are there any PAL territories that just got their hands on the game, or..?

Also, is your figure including the japanese sales? I don't understand why we have seperate games for the japanese and sales in Others/America.

Including Japanese sales, but those are pretty insignificant. And my numbers are assuming that its weekly sales will fall a bit overall by then. If things stay consistent or continue to rise, it'll break a million no later than June.

And that's just a mix up with the database. Hopefully DB Admins will have more leeway with VGChartz 2.0. :P

makingmusic476 said: fulcizombie said: I love how games like socom, heavenly sword, motorstorm 2 , R&C and more are considered.......million sellers . Anyway based on 1) NPD numbers , 2) Weekly famitsu/media crate charts , 3) Various weekly european charts ps3 exclusives are doing terribly .   I can't help but wonder what you mean by that.  Two of those games are already well over a million according to VGChartz's data.  Are you saying our data isn't trustworthy, while weekly data from various European charts that don't cover near the entirety of Europe is a perfect representation of a game's sales?

Yes when a game like R&C which did 150k in its first 2 NPD months before disappearing and flopped in europe (didn't appear in any chart other than the U.K where it charted for one week below the top 20) is suddenly at......1.6 million then vgcharts data is a joke. Whatever these boards are gamefaqs part 2 so keep living in your fantasy land and just ignore the actual data from respectable sources. The various commercial bombs that sony has released won't become hits anyway.

fulcizombie said: makingmusic476 said: fulcizombie said: I love how games like socom, heavenly sword, motorstorm 2 , R&C and more are considered.......million sellers . Anyway based on 1) NPD numbers , 2) Weekly famitsu/media crate charts , 3) Various weekly european charts ps3 exclusives are doing terribly .   I can't help but wonder what you mean by that.  Two of those games are already well over a million according to VGChartz's data.  Are you saying our data isn't trustworthy, while weekly data from various European charts that don't cover near the entirety of Europe is a perfect representation of a game's sales? Yes when a game like R&C which did 150k in its first 2 NPD months before disappearing and flopped in europe (didn't appear in any chart other than the U.K where it charted for one week below the top 20) is suddenly at......1.6 million then vgcharts data is a joke. Whatever these boards are gamefaqs part 2 so keep living in your fantasy land and just ignore the actual data from respectable sources. The various commercial bombs that sony has released won't become hits anyway.

Then why are you at this website if you think it is a joke? Insomniac have said that Ratchet sold 1m

you need to add motorstorm it have like 3+ million. i think that the main problems are the userbase and the advertising. but i think that the ps3 exclusives are selling great. well at least for me. but i think that other importan isue here is that i guess that some people buy the ps3 for bluray and they dont buy that many games so the attach rate is not as good as the xbox 360 one right?.

I think the answer is fairly simple.

America.

If you want to blow up in pop culture, you have to go over very well in America.

Gears and Halo are pop culture phenomenon.

I've not seen any KZ2 commercials, nobody(in general) over here has a PS3, and if they do, it's probably a status symbol.

You can't expect a game to go Halo 3, when America isn't excited about it. You just can't.

America is the reason those PS3 exclusives are underperforming. There ya go. Another reason to hate us. If one country is the entertainment capital of the world, we're it. Movies, music, TV, Internet, games to an extent. Entertainment is our number one export. You, for instance, are using American entertainment in the vast majority of websites you visit each day.

While doing well in the ever increasingly less important Japan, and the "entire rest of the world" we dub others, is also important; when you don't do well here, you'll never be a megaton.

Obviously.

 

 

I mean, who the hell do you think this game was aimed at? It certainly wasn't the UK or Japan.

We happen to be in a recession, and 460 dollars for a console, plus 60 dollars for a game is beyond the means of some of us working stiffs. Especially a game and company with poor marketing.

luisgvm said: you need to add motorstorm it have like 3+ million. i think that the main problems are the userbase and the advertising. but i think that the ps3 exclusives are selling great. well at least for me. but i think that other importan isue here is that i guess that some people buy the ps3 for bluray and they dont buy that many games so the attach rate is not as good as the xbox 360 one right?.

 

The benchmarks have been set here by consoles with lower userbases. No, it's the marketing and the concentration of the userbase, that is the problem. While the games might be "selling great"(they aren't) in your eyes, they are selling like the exclusives of a 3rd place console, in reality.

different gamers for different systems. look at your 360 list it is a fps frenzy. the PS3 is more diverse in gamers and game genres.

ZenfoldorVGI said: luisgvm said: you need to add motorstorm it have like 3+ million. i think that the main problems are the userbase and the advertising. but i think that the ps3 exclusives are selling great. well at least for me. but i think that other importan isue here is that i guess that some people buy the ps3 for bluray and they dont buy that many games so the attach rate is not as good as the xbox 360 one right?.   The benchmarks have been set here by consoles with lower userbases. No, it's the marketing and the concentration of the userbase, that is the problem. While the games might be "selling great"(they aren't) in your eyes, they are selling like the exclusives of a 3rd place console, in reality.

oh i see. but i still think that the exclusives are selling great maybe not as great as the other exclusives but they are selling great. but i agree with you.

 

Look at the last generation.  Halo was synonymous with the original XBox and just about every early adopter of the 360 was a Halo fan so Halo 3 was guaranteed to have an incredible attach rate.  Gears was a AAA shooter with one of the greatest marketing campaigns ever and appealed to the built-in Halo audience.

On the other hand, you can't really identify any game or IP that had universal ownership on the PS2 (and certainly not a multiplayer FPS).  Killzone 2 is going to sell well, but you can't expect it to put out stratospheric numbers because PS3 owners aren't universally going to jump at a FPS, no matter how great it is.  Arguably, if you're a hardcore FPS fan, you already own a 360 for that fix.