redspear said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
redspear said:
Quite a bit of bit of "Pirates of Silicon Valley" is fabricated. At least I now know you are Mac Fanboy though. The personalities may be right for most of the people involved with the exception of Jobs.
First all modern OS's stole from Xerox including Apple, MS, IBM, and so forth. Secondly the majority of Macs I have run have actually been slower when running similiar programs on similiarly specced machines.
I do use both Macs and Windows though and there are htings I really like about Macs but hey if you want to waste your money on a 999 Mac notebook go rigth ahead.
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It is certainly not a documentary. If I recall, jobs (or some apple rep) called it "mean spirited", woz said basically the events depicted in the movie happened and that the portrayal of personalities was accurate.
Anyways, it's a worthy watch.
edit: ah, the Xerox incident is one of the events depicted in the movie.
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The Xerox incident is in there but it was again slightly shifted from what happened. I have worked with and met people from teh original PARC product and while they mostly loathe XEROX for not defending its own IP(Which was consequently tied down because XEROX had a monopoly status at the time) they don't have nice things to say abotu Apple or Windows either.
However many of these same guys have gone on to work for both MS and Apple...You know as not only does time heal wounds people need jobs and hey its these guys speciality.
Xerox Star is the Apple LISA.
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I know a lot of people on the microsoft defense train like to avoid facts (since MS ALWAYS comes up shady when facts are involved) but Apple paid Xerox for the right to the technology, primarily by allowing Xerox to buy shares at a lower prefered rate (and providing millions in other forms of compensation) which was a good deal for Xerox since they were pretty much mothballing their GUI project.
Alternately MS did not pay anyone for Windows, they didn't pay apple (in fact they took the macs and aped them after promising not to explicitly), they didn't pay Xerox, they just copied and went on.
This apple and MS are the same thing is bull. Apple has revolutionized multiple markets with original ideas over and over, while there has not been an original MS idea pretty much ever (ok maybe the sphere, but who the hell wants that?)
PDAs? Apple Newton, touch screen on a PDA/phone again Newton then Iphone, functional consumer GUI and mouse? mac, consumer PCs? Apple II, touch screen phone interface? Iphone. every big feature in Windows 7, particularly the icon task bar? OS X
There are a few things like hard drive MP3 players they weren't the first on the scene with, but they are undoubtedly better at it then their competition in those cases.
I can't think of an instance where MS entered an established market with a superior product either. IE was not at all superior to Netscape, Windows mobile blows, Windows has been way behind Mac OS X for years and the Zune is a rip off of ipods from 3+ years ago in pretty much every way. That's not even including video games where pretty much everything has been a copy (yes even xbox live, anyone who had a dreamcast knows Seganet was first on that too). When they enter new markets they do so with an inferior product, usually with reliatilibty issues (see the zunes not working on certain days, the 360 overheating, vista crapping out on countless millions, huge gaping security holes ect).
So yah, they are not the same company AT ALL, I have no idea why people try to paint them with the same brush.