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PS3 fanboys are now talking shit bout game developers??? How old are they?mThere are REASONS why its not being devloped on PS3 and its not LAZY'ness!

ps3 fanboys STFU and go play your better than God KZ2!!!!! and keep imaging Crysis level graphics!

*rant over*

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> PS3 Shuts Up Gabe Newell!

Wrong. Even the Cell is not that powerful.



NJ5 said:
Phrancheyez said:
NJ5 said:

Oh I'm not saying it will necessarily be inferior. Just that it's a bit ridiculous to say KZ2 shuts Valve up when it's a derivative game (borrowing from one of Valve's games as well as others) with good graphics.

 

 

That I strongly agree with. That's also an ignorant statement..but it seems fanboyism is becoming more and more blind by the day. No one has an open mind anymore - if something isn't on a platform that they like or have, it can't compare to something else that is. I'm not discrediting anything Valve has done..they put out good work, and I wish they were more receptive to the PS3. I just wish the fanboyism wasn't becoming so..I don't know..intense?

We don't know Valve's reasons for not targeting the PS3. Maybe they don't think the extra expense is worth it. Maybe they don't have room for expansion. Maybe it's cheaper to outsource ports to other parties who have already hired PS3 developers.

No one gives console-exclusive developers shit for not targeting the PC (even when they do, they usually bring late ports with often excessive hardware requirements). Why does Valve get so much shit for not targeting the PS3? Perhaps people should blame Sony for their sucky architectures.

 

 

I think the reason is that although the PS3 has the smallest install base, it's still a large group of gamers.  We all know Valve has money...I agree that it may be a little too expensive to port to the PS3 due to architecture and that's probably why they don't do it.  However, if they're 'outsourcing' their ports for the 360 to EA, and EA develops for the PS3 also, then how come they don't also have EA port to PS3?  Is it a matter of EA just simply swapping formats and printing discs, whereas with the PS3 there would actually be a little work involved?  In which case I could understand.

The architecture is a pain at the moment, I'll give you that.  But it's also clear that it's not going to change.  We can almost be certain the PS4 will have an upgraded cell chip, so the architecture will be similar.  We can also assume the PS4 will be a bit cheaper since I'm assuming it'll be just an upgraded PS3.  In that sense, we can assume that the PS4, while it may not be in first place, won't be lagging behind the other companies as much because of the same reasons (price), and will have a larger install base.  It's safe to assume they'll have a better chance next gen of being higher up on the food chain, which means more consoles out and at least a little higher demand.  Why wouldn't companies want to learn the architecture now so that in the future it's not an issue?  At the same time, we could also assume that maybe Valve will stay away from Sony forever...we don't really know=P



FKNetwork said:

Gabe makes a very good point and one which I would agree too, they don't need the PS3, why would they? spend loads of extra cash making games on a hard to develop system when they can just stick to the pc/360 and get all the sales they need,

It's funny how sony fanboys try to defend their PS3's, this isn't the first developer that has slagged the PS3 off, loads have since its release..........

 

 I'm interested in what your definition of "loads" is.

Actually, maybe I'm not....(ick)



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mesoteto said:

and i hope Kz2 does and dosnt have the same happen i really dont want teh ps3 to get teh kinda fanbase halo brings---its not worth it

 

Sort of true..but if it's the fanbase that buys 8 million copies, I'm sure Sony wants it=P



Phrancheyez said:

 

I think the reason is that although the PS3 has the smallest install base, it's still a large group of gamers. We all know Valve has money...I agree that it may be a little too expensive to port to the PS3 due to architecture and that's probably why they don't do it. However, if they're 'outsourcing' their ports for the 360 to EA, and EA develops for the PS3 also, then how come they don't also have EA port to PS3? Is it a matter of EA just simply swapping formats and printing discs, whereas with the PS3 there would actually be a little work involved? In which case I could understand.

The architecture is a pain at the moment, I'll give you that. But it's also clear that it's not going to change. We can almost be certain the PS4 will have an upgraded cell chip, so the architecture will be similar. We can also assume the PS4 will be a bit cheaper since I'm assuming it'll be just an upgraded PS3. In that sense, we can assume that the PS4, while it may not be in first place, won't be lagging behind the other companies as much because of the same reasons (price), and will have a larger install base. It's safe to assume they'll have a better chance next gen of being higher up on the food chain, which means more consoles out and at least a little higher demand. Why wouldn't companies want to learn the architecture now so that in the future it's not an issue? At the same time, we could also assume that maybe Valve will stay away from Sony forever...we don't really know=P

Wait, Valve outsources 360 ports to EA too? Or are they just published by EA, like the PC retail versions are?

 



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mesoteto said:
Phrancheyez said:
mesoteto said:
^as they should unless they do it better--but just putting a new paint job better does not make

 

I don't understand what you mean.  So you're saying that everyone should believe that Killzone 2 is an inferior game since they haven't played it?  Why don't you just hold Khuutra's hand?

 

i am not saying its inferior,

But people seem to think that’s it’s the end all anymore and its really just a run of the mill FPS that is pulling off a halo effect (pulling the best parts of the current gaming trends, prettying them up, and marketing them as the end all)

 

 

Halo effect? I don't think Halo pulled the best parts of current gaming trends and prettied them up at all. In fact, Halo was knocked for its graphics by many. Halo actually helped to create a lot of "current gaming trends" with good vehicle physics, excellent multiplayer setup (on and offline), holding two guns, excellent control scheme (buttons for melee and grenades), etc. I don't see how they "pretty up" their own mechanics.

@ OP: I don't see how that translates to PS3 doing anything to Gabe. He did say a lot of bold words at the beginning of the PS3's lifecycle of it being a failure. He also hasn't shown much support for the platform, but you should also see it from his side as a game developer and as a business man.

Valve is a small team. Developing for more than one platform would require them to expand, learn a new platform and optimize games for that platform. He doesn't see it as a viable business option that will have much return. In contrast, 360 is practically PC architecture from a designer's point of view. Very little has to be done for those ports and the return is relatively large. He's doing what is best for his business like any business man would do.

For such a small team, Valve is doing some amazing work. In recent years they made the Orange Box (3 new "games" included) and Left4Dead as well as constant updates to the Source Engine. They've also continued to support their games (TF2 class updates, CS servers, etc.). They're also the creator of the best PC software distribution platform: Steam. It's remarkable they can do all this with their size. Expecting them to expand greatly to support just one more platform that might not have a significant return is a risk they'd rather not take.



"Seems that many people are upset with Gabe and look at the quality of posters thinking by calling him fat that changes the quality of games that Valve have released!

KZ2 is not even released and reviews have already dicussed why it doesn’t deserve 95/100 or 100/100 scores yet people want to hate on Gabe Newell when Kaz Hirai is telling everyone Sony intentionally made the PS3 hard to develop for! OMG! Some people are pure zealots and then we have them in the media!"

From a poster,So true!



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