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MikeB said:

Do you agree the Cell is far more powerful potentially than the Xenon if programmed right.

Depends on program. What comes for floating point operations, yes its more powerful in that stuff.

And your example regarding code running properly on both platforms is stupid. Sure you can't run PPC assembler code on x86 processors and vice versa, but who cares? Both PPC and x86 processors are capable of similar functions if coded properly for that architecture, it about what can be done, not about how it must be done.

Thats why I added "Neither you can optimize those programs for them to make them work.". Lets take two(or more like three) simple examples:

1. If you need to make program that must process 400MB data, would X360 or PS3 be faster?

(Yeah, that was pretty low, but I can give you better example.

1. b) If you need to make program that must process 200MB data and every 1MB of data needs always 10MB of data because of depencies. Process cannot be split into smaller problems, would X360 or PS3 be faster?)

2. If you need to make program that must process 200MB data and make floating point operations for every 256kB, would X360 or PS3 be faster?

(Bonus:

If you need to make program(very complex AI) that must follow paths that has 200^200 different possibilities(outcomes) and that heavily depend on previous paths, would X360, PS3 or Xbox be faster?)



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I missed this thread, but I must say.........

It's stupid to say "You suck because you can't code for the system. It's not suppose to be easy." Sadly, no one agreed with the Saturn.......

A system that easier to developer for makes games less costly and time consuming which means you can produce more and make more money. A company's goal is to make money. If it's easier to make the game on another console, then make it for the easier console. Everyone's judgment (including the man who wrote on the blog) is being clouded by fanboyism.



Garnett said:

Thats nice but still 256 is small amount of RAM,The PS3 is a fine piece of hardware but small ram,its like being the sexiest man on earth but having a small (CENSORED) it dosent perform very well,Red Faction dosent think the PS3 can do much more at least for there game,but netiher can the 360 really.(And Red Faction devs said that they cant put the game ON ps3 due to its memory.)

 

Ugh dude PPU > SPU (You do know what a PPU Is right? Physics Processing Unit,Which can do mroe than ANY processor can do YES even the C311) All 7 SPU adds up to 3.2ghz thats 1 360 core,But the SPU can do different things at once while the 360 CPU cannot.

 

 

You sir, are awesome.  That Physics Processing Unit line almost made me spill my beer!  Kudos to funnymakers like yourself.  7 SPUs add up to 3.2 GHz... pure awesome.

I don't know how it is people cannot see obvious humor when its posted here.  Garnett isn't serious.  Come on.  Physics Processing Unit?  He didn't even get that from Wikipedia!  He is joking.

 



 

@ Deneidez

Data processing can normally always be split up in smaller parts and executable code is tiny, results are passed around quickly within the PS3 architecture. For any type of game processing function the code can be styled in a way the Cell is able to well outperform the Xenon. That's one aspect of optimisation.

On the Cell you have local storages of 256KB and DMA per SPE, with the Xenon you have shared L2 cache and a tiny amount of L1 cache to work with per core.

You really need to write down a more concrete example for me to follow you, maybe I can provide you with a smart work around to your problems.



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Procrastinato said:
Garnett said:

Thats nice but still 256 is small amount of RAM,The PS3 is a fine piece of hardware but small ram,its like being the sexiest man on earth but having a small (CENSORED) it dosent perform very well,Red Faction dosent think the PS3 can do much more at least for there game,but netiher can the 360 really.(And Red Faction devs said that they cant put the game ON ps3 due to its memory.)

 

Ugh dude PPU > SPU (You do know what a PPU Is right? Physics Processing Unit,Which can do mroe than ANY processor can do YES even the C311) All 7 SPU adds up to 3.2ghz thats 1 360 core,But the SPU can do different things at once while the 360 CPU cannot.

 

 

You sir, are awesome. That Physics Processing Unit line almost made me spill my beer! Kudos to funnymakers like yourself. 7 SPUs add up to 3.2 GHz... pure awesome.

I don't know how it is people cannot see obvious humor when its posted here. Garnett isn't serious. Come on. Physics Processing Unit? He didn't even get that from Wikipedia! He is joking.

 

I mean in Physics of course,not in general processing.

 



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I think what Newell said was just a pure insult. Left for Dead is great but I don't think you can compare it to Killzone 2.



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Garnett said:
Procrastinato said:
Garnett said:
Thats nice but still 256 is small amount of RAM,The PS3 is a fine piece of hardware but small ram,its like being the sexiest man on earth but having a small (CENSORED) it dosent perform very well,Red Faction dosent think the PS3 can do much more at least for there game,but netiher can the 360 really.(And Red Faction devs said that they cant put the game ON ps3 due to its memory.)

Ugh dude PPU > SPU (You do know what a PPU Is right? Physics Processing Unit,Which can do mroe than ANY processor can do YES even the C311) All 7 SPU adds up to 3.2ghz thats 1 360 core,But the SPU can do different things at once while the 360 CPU cannot.
You sir, are awesome. That Physics Processing Unit line almost made me spill my beer! Kudos to funnymakers like yourself. 7 SPUs add up to 3.2 GHz... pure awesome.

I don't know how it is people cannot see obvious humor when its posted here. Garnett isn't serious. Come on. Physics Processing Unit? He didn't even get that from Wikipedia! He is joking.
I mean in Physics of course,not in general processing.

His act is impeccable. It took me a minute to decipher the meaning, which if I'm right is irrelevant to what I believe Procrastinato was referring to.



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Final-Fan said:
Garnett said:
Procrastinato said:
Garnett said:
Thats nice but still 256 is small amount of RAM,The PS3 is a fine piece of hardware but small ram,its like being the sexiest man on earth but having a small (CENSORED) it dosent perform very well,Red Faction dosent think the PS3 can do much more at least for there game,but netiher can the 360 really.(And Red Faction devs said that they cant put the game ON ps3 due to its memory.)

Ugh dude PPU > SPU (You do know what a PPU Is right? Physics Processing Unit,Which can do mroe than ANY processor can do YES even the C311) All 7 SPU adds up to 3.2ghz thats 1 360 core,But the SPU can do different things at once while the 360 CPU cannot.
You sir, are awesome. That Physics Processing Unit line almost made me spill my beer! Kudos to funnymakers like yourself. 7 SPUs add up to 3.2 GHz... pure awesome.

I don't know how it is people cannot see obvious humor when its posted here. Garnett isn't serious. Come on. Physics Processing Unit? He didn't even get that from Wikipedia! He is joking.
I mean in Physics of course,not in general processing.

His act is impeccable. It took me a minute to decipher the meaning, which if I'm right is irrelevant to what I believe Procrastinato was referring to.

wut?

 



^ A little too obvious -- "wut" is too well-known as a joke spelling.



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Final-Fan said:
^ A little too obvious -- "wut" is too well-known as a joke spelling.

I used it as the "What the hell did he just say" type "what".