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twesterm on 22 August 2007
Alexie Di Onie said:
The actual disks themselves costs pennies to create my friend, at least for DVD's HD-DVD's cant cost that much more.

I'm well aware of that, but that doesn't mean they charge more for them anyways because they can; look at the markup for a DVD and a HD DVD or Blu-ray Disc. 

 

BenKenobi88 said:
Wow that's ridiculous.

They probably know people will pay the money because it's HD...which sucks. There are people out there that just want the shiny HD movies and will pay more because they think it's worth more...

Shame too...if the HD versions of the shows were cheaper they'd get a big boost and growth in HD sales...

 It's like they actually don't want us to but this crap.

 



 

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twesterm on 22 August 2007
ceres said:
And in case people haven't seen it, Amazon already has a preorder up for $70. You should never be paying MSRP.

http://www.amazon.com/Heroes-Season-1-HD-DVD/dp/B000QTD5TS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-7992930-8849666?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1187758062&sr=8-1

Can get the regular DVD for under $40, too.

If you buy on Amazon right now, yes, otherwise the price goes up if you wait or if you buy at, say, Best Buy or Wal-Mart it's going to be back on the insane price.

I don't know if you're so eager to defending the HD formats because you were suckered in abd bought into them or what but no matter how you look at it the whole thing (single movies or seasons) or complete crap. 



 

Hus on 22 August 2007

Worth every penny.

SD sucks ass!!! i love hd, thank god i got a year of hd channels free with my tv.

Don't knock it till you compare sd vs hd on a good hdtv and a good sound system.





BenKenobi88 on 22 August 2007

It is true that HD content certainly takes up a lot more space though...I didn't really think about that...

Still...you'd think they could take up less discs...



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akuma587 on 22 August 2007

Amazon FTW. Yeah, next-gen media is super overpriced at most of the brick and mortar stores. It was like this for DVD too if you guys don't remember.



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Steve 3.2 on 22 August 2007
rage4dorder said:

Just to nitpick here, but the reason they are coming out with the HD version of the show is not to fit it on 1 or 2 discs, it's to make the show... High Definition, which means it takes up a lot more space. The only way they could fit the whole show on one disc is to do it at the lower standard resolution that DVD offers.

right?

 

I have to agree with rage here.  If you are buying the HD DVD version, don't you expect the video on it to be in high def.?  A standard dual layer DVD can hold up to 3.8 hours of standard def. content (assuming no audio).  While an HD DVD can hold 13.3 hours of standard def. content, you're looking at anywhere from 3.3 to 5.1 hours of high def. content on the same disk depending on the codec used.  (Blu-ray holds about 5.6 - 8.5 hours.)

It costs more money to license the codecs and disks for these new formats.  It takes extra work to make these additional skus.  The market for this content is much smaller.  And you're technically getting more... i.e. better quality.  Considering all those factors, it's not a surprise that the HD DVD/Blu-ray versions cost more than the DVD one. 

You're welcome to complain.  You're welcome to fight back... don't buy it if you don't like it.  (I won't be buying in anytime soon.)  But to base your reasoning on the number of disks is silly.

(Disk capacity information was provided by: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD)



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your mother on 22 August 2007
stof said:
You know, as someone who really wasn't interested in the high def DVD formats, one aspect of high def superiority I did concede was having far fewer disks when it came to TV seasons... Guess I was wrong.

It allows for fewer discs in SD or even perhaps in HD formats, but that isn't the point.

The point is what consumers perceive as good value.  Having 7 DVDs will be perceived as better value than 2 HD-DVDs by virtue of numbers alone.

You have to remember that these are the same consumers that haven't a clue what it is they really are buying. Remember the "40% of PS3 owners are not aware that it comes with Blu-ray" news?



ceres on 22 August 2007
BenKenobi88 said:
It is true that HD content certainly takes up a lot more space though...I didn't really think about that...

Still...you'd think they could take up less discs...

 You should look at the extras. While you may not want them, they have to take up some insane disc space and really push it far beyond a typical tv season release.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7733 

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7844 

Honestly will just wait until players are down in price and pick this up along with Serenity in 6 or so months.



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BenKenobi88 on 22 August 2007

I had to stand in line at Hollywood Video today, and 2 people in front of me took their sweet time to get out of line, yet somehow I couldn't go ahead...as they looked at the Blu-Ray movies on the shelf.

The guy kept asking if he could play them on his DVD player, and what exactly was different about Blu-Ray from DVD, even though he was just blabbing about all his HD equipment the minute before. I imagine there's quite a lot of consumers like that out there...it's scary.



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KruzeS on 22 August 2007
your mother said:

The point is what consumers perceive as good value.  Having 7 DVDs will be perceived as better value than 2 HD-DVDs by virtue of numbers alone.

Exactly. Convenience as perceived by us geeks is very different to value as perceived by the average consumer. More discs is almost always seen as better (even if they're never once watched).



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