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sanadawarrior on 02 February 2009
Kasz216 said:
sanadawarrior said:
Kasz216 said:
Asriel said:
The reasoning behind this is simple-Wii appeals more to 'casuals', who by definition, will not spend as much time or money involved in gaming when compared to the core, who so far, have been the main market of the HD console.(that's the article's reasoning, not my own reasoning, but I do closely agree with it)

Nintendo will announce big core titles to combat this, thusly driving profit, software sales and maintaing high hardware sales. That's what I think, anyhoo.

The problem is... the simplist reasoning isn't always the best.

I mean look at it from this angle.

Casual gamers buy less games per person right?

So who's more likely to need to cut down on their games budget?

The guy buying 1 game every 2 months?

Or the guy buying 2-3 games every month?

The "hardcore" gamer is more likely to be the one needing to make the gaming "sacrifice" and go back and do some retro gaming.

That combined with just a higher pricepoint in general... with Wii games often not even coming out at 50 dollars...

During a recession entertainment spending by a person usually doesn't go down unless it's excessive spending.

While your arguments make sense at first it actually misses the mark a bit. Neither of those two guys are only spending money on games, and the guy buying 2-3 games a month is more likely to continue buying 2-3 games a month and cut out other passtimes that he doesn't enjoy as much than a guy who enjoys other things more than gaming is likely to keep buying games. When it comes down to it, you don't cut spending on the things you enjoy most first.

However the thing is there are plenty of Wii owners that enjoy gaming as a top tier activity, and that is what most of those decrying it don't want to admit.

See i disagree with this because the person who buys 2-3 games a month usually doesn't spend much money on anything else... because they are hadrcore gamers.

I mean 2-3 games a month is a lot.

For example my gaming budget is seeing a cut because that's basically all I spend my money on as it is my main hobby.

I mean which hurts less... cutting down on one hobby or completly eliminating one that gives you variety in what you do?

I eliminated a lackluster hobby last year, so I dunno what to tell you... maybe you dont like gaming as much as you think you do?

Edit: also you kind of arent making alot of sense, first you say people that are hardcore don't spend money on other things, then you point out that you yourself have to cut down on your hardcore gaming budget to continue spending on other things...



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bdbdbd on 02 February 2009

@Sanadawarrior: Actually you're not thinking it financewise.
When you have less money available than previously, what takes the biggest hit, is where you money the most. And the opposite, the less people use money on something, the less it's going to take a hit. Even food isn't immune to that.

Let's assume we have two people:
Person A buys a game once a week and eats out once every two months.
Person B goes out to eat once a week and buys a game every two months.
Suddenly, both of the guys income drops by 30%, where each cuts the costs to match the new level of income?



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Kasz216 on 02 February 2009
sanadawarrior said:
Kasz216 said:
sanadawarrior said:
Kasz216 said:
Asriel said:
The reasoning behind this is simple-Wii appeals more to 'casuals', who by definition, will not spend as much time or money involved in gaming when compared to the core, who so far, have been the main market of the HD console.(that's the article's reasoning, not my own reasoning, but I do closely agree with it)

Nintendo will announce big core titles to combat this, thusly driving profit, software sales and maintaing high hardware sales. That's what I think, anyhoo.

The problem is... the simplist reasoning isn't always the best.

I mean look at it from this angle.

Casual gamers buy less games per person right?

So who's more likely to need to cut down on their games budget?

The guy buying 1 game every 2 months?

Or the guy buying 2-3 games every month?

The "hardcore" gamer is more likely to be the one needing to make the gaming "sacrifice" and go back and do some retro gaming.

That combined with just a higher pricepoint in general... with Wii games often not even coming out at 50 dollars...

During a recession entertainment spending by a person usually doesn't go down unless it's excessive spending.

While your arguments make sense at first it actually misses the mark a bit. Neither of those two guys are only spending money on games, and the guy buying 2-3 games a month is more likely to continue buying 2-3 games a month and cut out other passtimes that he doesn't enjoy as much than a guy who enjoys other things more than gaming is likely to keep buying games. When it comes down to it, you don't cut spending on the things you enjoy most first.

However the thing is there are plenty of Wii owners that enjoy gaming as a top tier activity, and that is what most of those decrying it don't want to admit.

See i disagree with this because the person who buys 2-3 games a month usually doesn't spend much money on anything else... because they are hadrcore gamers.

I mean 2-3 games a month is a lot.

For example my gaming budget is seeing a cut because that's basically all I spend my money on as it is my main hobby.

I mean which hurts less... cutting down on one hobby or completly eliminating one that gives you variety in what you do?

I eliminated a lackluster hobby last year, so I dunno what to tell you... maybe you dont like gaming as much as you think you do?

Edit: also you kind of arent making alot of sense, first you say people that are hardcore don't spend money on other things, then you point out that you yourself have to cut down on your hardcore gaming budget to continue spending on other things...

Actually i don't spend on anything else outside of my girlfriend... and nessesities.

I'm just saying... for a lot of people... they can't just do one thing.  They need a variety.

The people who can.  Well they're probably MMO Players anyway.

When your trying to make up a deficit in funds, the easiest place to get money from is your largest expenditures.

Often times you HAVE to take from there at least a little to make it anyway.

I mean... when you need to save money... what is it you usually spend money on.  Usually the small luxuaries right?  You go "Well I shouldn't spend any money... but this is only like 5 dollars."

It's the same principle.

 



sanadawarrior on 02 February 2009
bdbdbd said:
@Sanadawarrior: Actually you're not thinking it financewise.
When you have less money available than previously, what takes the biggest hit, is where you money the most. And the opposite, the less people use money on something, the less it's going to take a hit. Even food isn't immune to that.

Let's assume we have two people:
Person A buys a game once a week and eats out once every two months.
Person B goes out to eat once a week and buys a game every two months.
Suddenly, both of the guys income drops by 30%, where each cuts the costs to match the new level of income?

 

 Again too simplistic of a choice there are hundreds of things you spend money on a month, not just 2 things. In your example it's easy to say gaming would be cut, but then again aparently the person in your example only makes $200 - $250 a month so maybe he has more problems than just his gaming budget.



bdbdbd on 02 February 2009

@Sanadawarrior: Well, considering that both of the persons have to live somewhere and they do eat somewhere else than in restaurants, their income could be around 1500/month (after taxes). In any case, that wasn't the point. The point was, that where do each of the guys save money? Where would you save? A random expense that doesn't have much effect and the effect it has, takes long time to be visible? Or an expense that has big influence on your budget and you can see the effect quickly?



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FreeTalkLive on 02 February 2009
TheSource said:

The recession already hit the PS3 first...

I agree.  Some people are clueless.

 



 

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sanadawarrior on 02 February 2009
bdbdbd said:
@Sanadawarrior: Well, considering that both of the persons have to live somewhere and they do eat somewhere else than in restaurants, their income could be around 1500/month (after taxes). In any case, that wasn't the point. The point was, that where do each of the guys save money? Where would you save? A random expense that doesn't have much effect and the effect it has, takes long time to be visible? Or an expense that has big influence on your budget and you can see the effect quickly?

Meh, I got a 10% pay reduction and was unable to work full time during the summer last year. Considering that was about 10 hours less per week than I would have regularly worked for about 3 1/2 months, that was a rather hefty pay decrease. I cut the small stuff, cut the lesser liked hobbies, and got to play all the games that I wanted to and even picked up a new hobby that I am starting to like even more than gaming. So yeah, thats where I saved money.

 

 

 



BornFirst. on 02 February 2009
Usul said:
BornFirst. said:
Usul said:
@ usul Quote"
A lot people are not very satisfied with the Wii (not what they thought it was), so we'll see..."

What the hell r you talking about, you really need to stop looking at what people say on the internet and check out real life, every family i know who owns a Wii absolutely loves it, but don't count on my word on it, check out the main stream press who are always reporting on how its the family console. It is obvious the Wii is not your console of choice but you really need to try to keep to more constructive arguments, this one fails.

It was based on personal experience, talking about family (childen basically as older adults don't enjoy videogames for more than 15 minutes) and friends. None of them is really impressed by the Wii, neither I am. Not everybody thinks the Wii is fantastic outside Nintendo forums.

 

That was actually a very weak reply. No where did i mention that everyone has to likes the Wii, if anything i  i said it obviously is not your console of choice, what i find rather pathetic is the fact that guys like you can not look past your own interest thus lumbast anything that is not catered to you, you refuse to acknowledge or even mention the fact that if anything the satisfaction of the wii user base far outsrips the unsatified few, the charts don't lie, people do not buy the wii because its the Hype machine or because its low in stock (More bullshit FUD by the haters), they like it because it is fun and has content they enjoy, not everyone one likes Gears of war or MGS4, and it seems that is a concept you fail to grasp, and its not because you are dumb or anything, it's because you are in such denial it affecting your reality of things

My only advice is, if something that is supposed be a hobby or entertainment effects you so emotionally it affects your perception of reality, and has you covering your  eyes screaming "people who own the wii are unsatified" , then you have serious problems, and perhaps you should ease up on the hobby a little bit and try other things (just a suggesting). I have all consoles this gen, and i can say i am very satisfied with all of them especially the Wii (manyhours of family entertainment) and it actually gets more use in my household.

 

First all, I only said that some Nintendo fans seem to be blinded and think everybody enjoys the Wii. There is people who buy it an are not impressed at all, buy it and don't use it a lot later... Only talking about people around me (of all ages). I don't see what's so incorrect in saying this. I also was saying, as reference to that review that Nintendo are getting a dit disrespectfull with some purchasers by releasing games that are practically identical to last gen ones (not only the graphics). And was not saying anything about PS360, only making some criticisms on Nintendo.

Then the answer was out of place and your tone was rude. What was the reason in insulting me... Your assumption was wrong, and you FREAK sure don't know me. But after reading that answer I realize you're a FANATIC. Who is the one having serious problems? You're the one affected emotionally by your hobby.

 

 

Interesing after reading MY post i am the one who sound like a fanatic, ok i will bite what am i a fanatic of? all i know is i am not the one bringing in straw man arguments and dodgy anecdotal evidence into this thread. If i tell you the truth when i was writing the previous post i did not mean to sound disrespectfull, and if it has offended you my bad, i will definatly appologise for it, but how about bringing some balance into your agrument, and stop using internet memes?

Plus here is your quote earlier

"A lot people are not very satisfied with the Wii (not what they thought it was), so we'll see..."

How is the above statment about the peopel around you? its a general statemnet, face it you got caught out and i called you on it, maybe rather harshly but the proof is in the pudding. If anyone sounds like a fanatic/hater in this thread its not me!

 



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bdbdbd on 02 February 2009

@Sanadawarrior: Obviously it wasn't big enough decrease since you started a new hobby.
You still seem to be missing the point. What i understood was, that you cut down regular expenses, while i (and Kasz) am talking about random expenses. If you go out to eat every now and then, you'll go out to eat if you have the money for it when you want to go out to eat. If you go out to eat regularily, you still go out to eat only if you have the money when you want to go out to eat.



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sanadawarrior on 03 February 2009
bdbdbd said:
@Sanadawarrior: Obviously it wasn't big enough decrease since you started a new hobby.
You still seem to be missing the point. What i understood was, that you cut down regular expenses, while i (and Kasz) am talking about random expenses. If you go out to eat every now and then, you'll go out to eat if you have the money for it when you want to go out to eat. If you go out to eat regularily, you still go out to eat only if you have the money when you want to go out to eat.

The one I picked up isn't that expensive, just has a high initial cost. Reguardless I reread what you guys are saying and I get that you guys are talking about drastic measures to get yourself in line, in which case I agree. I supose I was thinking of smaller pay cuts that would allow for some breathing room.