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Flash on 29 January 2009
non-gravity said:
Jo21 said:
i think variety will the one that screw kz2 over all rating.

they may give it a 6 just to lower the score.

 

 Variety doesn't give score. Metacritic rates the review and gives it a score. It's a conspiracy.

 

80
Variety

Coupled with a robust sharing system that borrows the best elements of YouTube, LittleBigPlanet is less a game than a platform for making and downloading videogame levels. Ultimate success beyond a niche of wanna-be game developers will depend on an extraordinarily active community that gives everyone else a reliable dose of new creations. [*Note: All Variety scores are provided to Metacritic by Variety's Games Editor - Metacritic is not estimating here or on any other game review.]

Source: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/littlebigplanet

 

 

KZ2 getting a 9/10 from Eurogamer is a nice achievement. Lets hope that sales live up to the hype and scores that are coming out.



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Dallinor on 29 January 2009
disolitude said:
Dallinor said:
gebx said:
darthdevidem01 said:
where is zenfolder? madskillz? starcraft -- the M$ trio

I'll respond for them... (if you guys don't mind)

- Every single PS3 exclusive have been hyped beyond belief. Its like the boy who kept crying wolf.. he was bound to be right one day.

- Killzone 2 has been in production for so long that there's no way it will ever be a profitable game, $40-$60 million budget?

- (my favorite response) pheww... FPS? That's so Xbox 1.0 .... :p

I don't remember Haze being hyped beyond belief. Or even MS2 or R&C. Looks like the hype in this case was justified though, eh?

You have no idea what the budget for the game is. Why is that point even being brought up?

Overall, it sounds like you just couldn't keep the bitterness from your post.

 

http://ps3.qj.net/Rumor-Killzone-2-budget-doubled-because-of-Guerrilla-Games-/pg/49/aid/112518

 

There are many Killzone 2 budget stories on the net and they mostly point to 60 million.

 

There are also over 2 million "911 conspiracy" stories on the net and they mostly point to a 911 coverup.

 

Did you actually just link me to an article based off a rumour from Surfer Girl? 

From the article: "To top this off the game may be pretty but it's barely mediocre."

*Gazes at the IGN and Eurogamer review*

Yup, mediocre indeed...

"Then again, since this is a Surfer Girl report, we'll have to file this one under rumors."

You really should have read that line, then taken a moment to consider before clicking post.



 

exindguy on 29 January 2009
Gh0st4lifE said:
exindguy said:
Gh0st4lifE said:

People shouldn't trust scores plublished under an embargo. Instead they should take a look at the reviews and read between the lines. Despite giving a 9/10 Eurogamer doesn't seem very hyped about the game.

Read these excerps :

GRAPHICS

"The internet will no doubt rage for weeks as to whether Killzone 2 is the best-looking console game evah, but it's fair to say that if there's a list, it's going to be near the top."

GAMEPLAY

"It swiftly becomes apparent that Killzone 2 isn't going to be pushing beyond the boundaries of its genre."

SCENARIO

"All could have been drawn from any shooter of the last five years, and it's only the mixture of convincing animation and above-average voice acting that brings them [the caracters] to life. The script certainly doesn't help much, since most of it seems to consist of people barking "F*** dis shit!" and "Go! Go!" over and over."

"The revival system also makes a mockery of a later plot development, which I won't spoil. Suffice to say that anyone who wondered why Cloud didn't just use a Phoenix Down on Aeris will face a similar clash between the needs of the story and the mechanics of the gameplay."

MULTIPLAYER

It's really only once you've unlocked these options that the multiplayer comes to life, feeling narrow in scope at first but offering enviable depth in the long term.

CONCLUSION

Taken as a whole, Killzone 2 doesn't initially seem to offer enough to justify the superlatives that have been dutifully set aside by the PS3 faithful. Despite the often-stunning graphics, it's often derivative of other titles and doesn't - on the surface - seem to have much that distinguishes it from the herd.

It's deceptive though. This is a methodical shooter that makes few concessions to those not already interested in its single-minded approach to cover-based military action. I've compared it to Rainbow Six in the past, but it also calls to mind F.E.A.R, another tough tactical effort that was often misunderstood by those expecting a frag-happy spook hunt. Killzone 2 is a taut and muscular game, a shooter that gives back more than you put in, provided you have the intestinal fortitude. It may take its time revealing its true depths and pleasures, but the journey is well worth taking. Between Killzone 2's unforgiving grit and Resistance 2's alien-bursting excess, the PS3 finally has both ends of the shooter spectrum covered in grand style.

Actually, it reads like most of their reviews: measured, well-reasoned, honest about the reviewer's biases and forthcoming about his point of view.

It seems to me that you want it to be a spittle-flecked, foaming-at-the-mouth, 'it's the greatest thing ever'-type review before being willing to concede that the score is justified by the accompanying text when, in actuality, explicit levelheadedness and sober appraisal is their hallmark and is why a large number of people put a great deal of stock in their reviews (and I don't say this as a deranged Sony fanboy--I won't be buying the game--but as a fan of Eurogamer's brand of careful critique).

 

Exactly, it reads like most of their reviews but not like those who got 9/10. You should check for yourself. Reading Gears2s' makes it pretty obvious.

I guess you're not a fan of Eurogamer's review afterall, huh.

 

Obvious to whom, exactly?

It's also interesting that you chose to neglect pointing out that they're written by two different individuals, isn't it? I mean, far be it for me to suppose (or even expect) that two completely different human beings might approach their critiques from different angles, but I still fail to see how it's any more clear that Gears of War 2 deserves its 9 more than Killzone 2, purely based on a textual analysis. After all, you may not like that the individual reviewing Killzone 2 went into greater detail about precisely what it is you're getting with it, but that doesn't make it any less worthy of its score--unless, of course, you are insinuating that you have some special insight into the author's mind (which wouldn't be surprising, given that the Internet is chock-a-block with mind readers that can divine an individuals intent purely by cherry-picking and parsing select quotes).

But, hey, believe what you wish: clearly you are a member of the school of (Internet) thought that states that because you believe it, it must be so, since the best you can offer is "Reading Gears2s' makes it pretty obvious"...to you.




Skeeuk on 29 January 2009
gebx said:
Xen said:
gebx said:
darthdevidem01 said:
where is zenfolder? madskillz? starcraft -- the M$ trio

I'll respond for them... (if you guys don't mind)

- Every single PS3 exclusive have been hyped beyond belief. Its like the boy who kept crying wolf.. he was bound to be right one day.

- The PS3 has been on the market for over 2 1/2 years and is only receiving its 3rd AAA exclusive. Its sad and nothing to brag about

- Killzone 2 has been in production for so long that there's no way it will ever be a profitable game, $40-$60 million budget?

- Xbox fanboys here on the website and reviewers from the Xbox Magazine have commented on Killzone 2 being a great game.

- (my favorite response) pheww... FPS? That's so Xbox 1.0 .... :p

 

And I would like to finish this with saying Killzone 2 would be one of two games I would purchase if had a PS3

 Edited: rephrased last sentence

I'll give you credit for recognizing it as a great game.

But... the 360 is out for more than 3 years and also has 3 exclusive AAA's. GoW 2, Halo 3, Forza 2.

 

 

 I don't want to derail this any further so this will be my last reply here

Gears
Gears 2
Halo 3
Braid
Mass Effect
Ghost Recon
Geo Wars 2
Forza 2
Left 4 Dead

lol i have to pull that one up, it always makes me giggle when someone pulls up ghost recon 1 as AAA. well graw2 is far far superior to graw1 yet it managed a less score aggregated, so according to metacritic graw 1 is better than graw 2, which simply isnt the case.

i think people should re-review themselfs on what an AAA title is.

heres another one for you.

fable 2 at 50 reviews was at 92 which would have made it AAA, but now fable 2 is at 89 off 90 reviews. so the question has to be asked. is fable 2 exactly the same game when it was AAA(92) as it is now 89?

 



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BHR-3 on 29 January 2009

Nice score i was expecting a 7 or 8 after i saw some of there reviews



                                                             

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Skeeuk on 29 January 2009

ive just read through the posts on the 2 killzone threads.

will all killzone haters just give it a rest will you. the game has turned out great and im buying it anyways.



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gebx on 29 January 2009
Dallinor said:
disolitude said:
Dallinor said:
gebx said:
darthdevidem01 said:
where is zenfolder? madskillz? starcraft -- the M$ trio

I'll respond for them... (if you guys don't mind)

- Every single PS3 exclusive have been hyped beyond belief. Its like the boy who kept crying wolf.. he was bound to be right one day.

- Killzone 2 has been in production for so long that there's no way it will ever be a profitable game, $40-$60 million budget?

- (my favorite response) pheww... FPS? That's so Xbox 1.0 .... :p

I don't remember Haze being hyped beyond belief. Or even MS2 or R&C. Looks like the hype in this case was justified though, eh?

You have no idea what the budget for the game is. Why is that point even being brought up?

Overall, it sounds like you just couldn't keep the bitterness from your post.

 

http://ps3.qj.net/Rumor-Killzone-2-budget-doubled-because-of-Guerrilla-Games-/pg/49/aid/112518

 

There are many Killzone 2 budget stories on the net and they mostly point to 60 million.

 

There are also over 2 million "911 conspiracy" stories on the net and they mostly point to a 911 coverup.

 

Did you actually just link me to an article based off a rumour from Surfer Girl? 

From the article: "To top this off the game may be pretty but it's barely mediocre."

*Gazes at the IGN and Eurogamer review*

Yup, mediocre indeed...

"Then again, since this is a Surfer Girl report, we'll have to file this one under rumors."

You really should have read that line, then taken a moment to consider before clicking post.

 

As of 2006 the budget was set at $21 million  http://kotaku.com/gaming/sony/killzone-2-team-breaks-silence-217549.php

Add the surfer girl rumour that it doubled and the fact that this game as been in development for way to long (Since 2005) and you could easily assume its topped $40 million.



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dbot on 29 January 2009
Gh0st4lifE said:

People shouldn't trust scores plublished under an embargo. Instead they should take a look at the reviews and read between the lines. Despite giving a 9/10 Eurogamer doesn't seem very hyped about the game.

Read these excerps :

GRAPHICS

"The internet will no doubt rage for weeks as to whether Killzone 2 is the best-looking console game evah, but it's fair to say that if there's a list, it's going to be near the top."

GAMEPLAY

"It swiftly becomes apparent that Killzone 2 isn't going to be pushing beyond the boundaries of its genre."

SCENARIO

"All could have been drawn from any shooter of the last five years, and it's only the mixture of convincing animation and above-average voice acting that brings them [the caracters] to life. The script certainly doesn't help much, since most of it seems to consist of people barking "F*** dis shit!" and "Go! Go!" over and over."

"The revival system also makes a mockery of a later plot development, which I won't spoil. Suffice to say that anyone who wondered why Cloud didn't just use a Phoenix Down on Aeris will face a similar clash between the needs of the story and the mechanics of the gameplay."

MULTIPLAYER

It's really only once you've unlocked these options that the multiplayer comes to life, feeling narrow in scope at first but offering enviable depth in the long term.

CONCLUSION

Taken as a whole, Killzone 2 doesn't initially seem to offer enough to justify the superlatives that have been dutifully set aside by the PS3 faithful. Despite the often-stunning graphics, it's often derivative of other titles and doesn't - on the surface - seem to have much that distinguishes it from the herd.

It's deceptive though. This is a methodical shooter that makes few concessions to those not already interested in its single-minded approach to cover-based military action. I've compared it to Rainbow Six in the past, but it also calls to mind F.E.A.R, another tough tactical effort that was often misunderstood by those expecting a frag-happy spook hunt. Killzone 2 is a taut and muscular game, a shooter that gives back more than you put in, provided you have the intestinal fortitude. It may take its time revealing its true depths and pleasures, but the journey is well worth taking. Between Killzone 2's unforgiving grit and Resistance 2's alien-bursting excess, the PS3 finally has both ends of the shooter spectrum covered in grand style.

That is some really good cherry-picking.  The review embargo lifted today so Eurogamer could have said whatever they wanted.  It seems like they wanted to say that this is a really good game and got a 9/10.

 



Thanks for the input, Jeff.

 

 

Gh0st4lifE on 29 January 2009
exindguy said:
Gh0st4lifE said:
exindguy said:
Gh0st4lifE said:

People shouldn't trust scores plublished under an embargo. Instead they should take a look at the reviews and read between the lines. Despite giving a 9/10 Eurogamer doesn't seem very hyped about the game.

Read these excerps :

GRAPHICS

"The internet will no doubt rage for weeks as to whether Killzone 2 is the best-looking console game evah, but it's fair to say that if there's a list, it's going to be near the top."

GAMEPLAY

"It swiftly becomes apparent that Killzone 2 isn't going to be pushing beyond the boundaries of its genre."

SCENARIO

"All could have been drawn from any shooter of the last five years, and it's only the mixture of convincing animation and above-average voice acting that brings them [the caracters] to life. The script certainly doesn't help much, since most of it seems to consist of people barking "F*** dis shit!" and "Go! Go!" over and over."

"The revival system also makes a mockery of a later plot development, which I won't spoil. Suffice to say that anyone who wondered why Cloud didn't just use a Phoenix Down on Aeris will face a similar clash between the needs of the story and the mechanics of the gameplay."

MULTIPLAYER

It's really only once you've unlocked these options that the multiplayer comes to life, feeling narrow in scope at first but offering enviable depth in the long term.

CONCLUSION

Taken as a whole, Killzone 2 doesn't initially seem to offer enough to justify the superlatives that have been dutifully set aside by the PS3 faithful. Despite the often-stunning graphics, it's often derivative of other titles and doesn't - on the surface - seem to have much that distinguishes it from the herd.

It's deceptive though. This is a methodical shooter that makes few concessions to those not already interested in its single-minded approach to cover-based military action. I've compared it to Rainbow Six in the past, but it also calls to mind F.E.A.R, another tough tactical effort that was often misunderstood by those expecting a frag-happy spook hunt. Killzone 2 is a taut and muscular game, a shooter that gives back more than you put in, provided you have the intestinal fortitude. It may take its time revealing its true depths and pleasures, but the journey is well worth taking. Between Killzone 2's unforgiving grit and Resistance 2's alien-bursting excess, the PS3 finally has both ends of the shooter spectrum covered in grand style.

Actually, it reads like most of their reviews: measured, well-reasoned, honest about the reviewer's biases and forthcoming about his point of view.

It seems to me that you want it to be a spittle-flecked, foaming-at-the-mouth, 'it's the greatest thing ever'-type review before being willing to concede that the score is justified by the accompanying text when, in actuality, explicit levelheadedness and sober appraisal is their hallmark and is why a large number of people put a great deal of stock in their reviews (and I don't say this as a deranged Sony fanboy--I won't be buying the game--but as a fan of Eurogamer's brand of careful critique).

 

Exactly, it reads like most of their reviews but not like those who got 9/10. You should check for yourself. Reading Gears2s' makes it pretty obvious.

I guess you're not a fan of Eurogamer's review afterall, huh.

 

Obvious to whom, exactly?

It's also interesting that you chose to neglect pointing out that they're written by two different individuals, isn't it? I mean, far be it for me to suppose (or even expect) that two completely different human beings might approach their critiques from different angles, but I still fail to see how it's any more clear that Gears of War 2 deserves its 9 more than Killzone 2, purely based on a textual analysis. After all, you may not like that the individual reviewing Killzone 2 went into greater detail about precisely what it is you're getting with it, but that doesn't make it any less worthy of its score--unless, of course, you are insinuating that you have some special insight into the author's mind (which wouldn't be surprising, given that the Internet is chock-a-block with mind readers that can divine an individuals intent purely by cherry-picking and parsing select quotes).

But, hey, believe what you wish: clearly you are a member of the school of (Internet) thought that states that because you believe it, it must be so, since the best you can offer is "Reading Gears2s' makes it pretty obvious"...to you.

 

First you say "all reviews are like that" and now you are saying "it's not the same reviewers" LOL

You've admited defeat, bravo

 

PS. You kind of went bananas there with your "school of mind-reading paranoïa internet fanatics" rant. If you're going to be in denial at least maintain some dignity.



God i hate fanboys, almost as much as they hate facts

 

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deathgod33 on 29 January 2009

higher than mgs4? must be pretty damn good