machines to me, like a droid or something, one of thoes hard core japanese humanide robots off anime, they have no spirit so their not human to me. Like an animal. BUT!!!! although they are just fancy robots I still dont kill inocent people in games because of a moral standing. Bad people are easier to kill and more fantasy the game gets the easier. Aliens, demons, beasts, all thoes things I will kill without hesitation. But I will sway away from games that kill people... **hides assasins creed behind back. If I accidentaly kill an inocent person its just a shrug of the sholders, no ones really died so it doesnt matter.

I would be fine if the AI only thought it had feelings.

I've alwayspondered ths--what wold it be like to have a real Star Trek holodeck?

Fable 2 showed me that we're really not as far from this type of thing as we think (not quite there yet, though). On the side quest where you have to make that girl fall in love with you, and then show her the rude note from her dead husband and leave, I experienced a milestone in gaming.

When I got to the point where I had to either ask her to marry me or show her the note, I really felt bad. I thought I'd be able to just leave without feeling anything, but I couldn't.

And to top it all off, guess who comes wandering into the tavern just at that moment and sees me chatting her up? My in-game wife. Hoo boy, she got angry, sad, and apathetic, all at the same time. I didn't want to upset her, and I didn't want to upset the new girl. Took me fifteen minutes to make a decision, and you know what I did?

I reset the game, moved my wife to another town, and married the woman in Bowerstone. Lost all progress since my last save, but it was worth it just to get that monkey off my back.

That moment left me very excited for what is to come in artificial intelligence.



Also, I always get a feeling of paternity whenever I visit one of my wives and children--giving me gifts, saying how great I am, and always following me around and saying how much they want to be like me. Wow... what a fantastic game...

 Thats where you have to ask the question. Do humans have spirits or not. Its true the body is just a mechanical thing, organic, but mechanical, kind of like an animal. An animal can make decisions but weather they are consious decisions or not is another thing. The human as the ability to step out of its own mind and look back in at the thoughts its making and recognise them as thoughts. A child is unable to diferentiate themselves as individuals until a certian age of brain developement. Animals brains never reach this point of developement and although they are smart and can recognise things, they are no where near capable of the complex thought processes of the human mind.

The human body is ruled by chemical reactions and electrons in the brain fired off by thing we see and hear etc (experience). Our body is a machine designed to act and react to the things around us, exactly like an animal. Animals are ruled by instinct, hormones and chemical reactions. The thing with humans though is beyond the mechanical nature of flesh and our brain we are capable of creating, and recognising creation. The human mind can dream. And im not talking in our sleep. There is alot more that goes on in a real humans mind then just mechanical physical things. Which is why I believe our mind is something that exists in the spiritual and our brain is simply a conductor that interperates our mechanical flesh for our mind to realise, or for our mind to controle the mechanical flesh outside of its hormones and chemical reactions.

This is why I believe man can never create a being that is just like himself. The thing will always be maths equations, like an animal. but even then it will lak the "life" that is in an animal that causes it to be alive. 

Actually with current level of bioengineering one could resurrect whole species back to life and that means bringing back to life neanderthals for example. If thats not creating a being like human, what is? :)

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/20/2257231&from=rss

Well, I revisit my comment/opinion about the matter itself:

I personally am a indie dev and I do like to figure out how something is done in games. Especially AI in strategy games have fascinated me always and I always find a way to make AI do exactly what I want it to do(I figure out the algorithm and follow it.). To make AI that impress/fools game dev is even harder so 'we' are kind of immune until we have enough processing power to simulate all the things theres going on in brains. When that happens, no one can say is it real or not.

The answer is easy: People would still kill the A.I.

It's just a game in the end so the CPU can't "die" no matter what you do. You just have to re-start the game and it'll be "alive" again.

 Nice.  This has some really good points in it.  Some of them for another discussion I think otherwise I would have replied.  Still a good post though.

I did and broke the heart of this nice blond (with big t*ts)...but felt bad when she suicided

The reason is I wants to play the game without getting married (at the end maybe). I'm a father from 6 months irl and I feel weird about spending time on a virtual family.

Fable II remains an excellent exercice for this (Molyneux wants to push the AI aspect in game), but I still think the consequences of your acts are a bit too stereotyped.

If I kill you, and then clone you with the same memories, feelings, relationships, etc., are you the same person?

Oh, without question.  For example, if you and I both played the game and performed the same actions, we'd get the same results.

What we're discussing in this thread is still a ways off, but games like Fable really make me excited as to where this is going.