Actually that one is true.... they have lost $3 billion in the last couple of years, but that happens to include lots of PS2 profit, and PSP has been profitable for those years at least.... it is also possible that the poor year previously (only $70 ish million made) is due in part to the PS3.

By the way, we'll we ever have the chart adjusted for inflation?

I never claimed to pass my rough calculation off as precise, but I don't think saying  [(Cell - Xenon) + (GPU PS3 - GPU XB360) + (BD-DVD) + 80GB HDD + (other components cost difference)] < $200 is totally unreasonable.

If you are implying that we really can't figure out for sure whether XB360 is profiting or losing, I can agree, we can't indeed, as (Edit) I based my rough estimate only on cost difference, so if PS3 cost is down enough to make it profitable at $400, chances are that $200 XB360 arcade is too. If on the contrary you are saying for sure that my estimate is totally wrong, well, do a correct estimate that prove mine wrong (to prove me wrong you have to prove wrong the inequality above and prove that PS3 is breaking even or profiting). If my reasonment is only partially wrong, or simply not demonstrable, then the answer is unknown.

You don't know manufacturing, packaging costs, royalties, yields, etc...  you just assume they are equal and go from there. 

Your estimation can't be right unless it happens by chance. I don't need to make a pig fly to show that you can't get a pig to fly.

So since we've resolved that we can't estimate the cost on the machines themselves (as you say, it's unkown), it's back to square one.

Square one is Sony Gaming division losing money with two healthy endeavours (psp, ps2) so overall the ps3 business must be losing money. As for Microsoft, we know the division is turning a profit, but wether the console itself is sold at a loss or not can't be known since it's obscured by the other projects.

As a result, we know the ps3 is a money-losing enterprise so far, but we don't know how the 360 is doing.

Shall we proceed?

Well, you have to take into account the different inflation rates of the ¥ and $ so I'm not so sure how easy that would be to do. For ¥ only it shouldn't be too difficult though.

Yeah I know but having the chart in current dollars would be extra-sweet.

Inflation:

With the older figures there's a significant the difference in earnings when you take in to consideration what that money could buy back then. But still I don't want to make my original post even larger (at least not for this kind of meticulous data) so this is where I'll put this chart. This chart applies the Buying Power of a Dollar retrieved from CPI Inflation Calculator to the data in the above "Comparison US Dollars" chart.

hey look who is in the black still, besides nintendo lol. but sony should post some black for 2009, at least i expect it to go that way. even if its only one buck xD

and wow negative nine trillion for the xbox? didn't think it was that high, at least profit is starting to roll in. maybe they can cut that down 1/3 by the end of this gen?

edit: lol sega....silly gooses

@Bitmap Frogs:
Obviously we can't be sure but the possible solution that XB360 overall is profiting with only Arcade losing and Pro, Elite, XBL, first party games and third party royalties, accessories, whatever else profiting, although not demonstrable, is more likely and fitting in the current scenario and compatible with PS3 overall losing during the FY ending now and just breaking even in the last few months. Otherwise, if we suppose that XB 360 Arcade is CURRENTLY profiting and PS3 is losing, and notice that I'm referring to the current cost, not the average of this FY, it would mean that their CURRENT total costs difference is greater than $200. I find it very unlikely, you don't agree and I can agree that we can't be sure, but at least considering it unlikely is not unreasonable (just think what we can buy at retail price for $200, and we don't get bulk price nor we have the bargaining power of companies like MS, Sony and Nintendo).

Thank you liquid ninja, this makes the chart way more relevant and easier to read for us all. 

It is mind-boggling nintendo is past 30 billion while MS is still 10 billion in the red. Really, Nintendo management is and always has been top brass. It is interesting that while MS is still 10 billion in the red, the ps3 so far has probably cost 4-5 billion to Sony. It makes it very clear why Nintendo didn't want to play the same game MS and Sony wanted to and in doing so they achieved success by innovation. Staggering.

@alby: whatever you want to believe. But you are ignoring a lot of data just to fit in your pre-conceptions about the issue at hand. For example, I don't hear you talking how the Fed's decision to print a trillion to buy US bonds will negatively affect the dollar/yen ratio and thus hurt japanese corporations even more.