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BHR-3 on 20 January 2009

it to early to tell no much is know about either game



                                                             

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ROBOTECHHEAVEN on 20 January 2009

alan wake on both counts and not even close when ltd is over with. alan wake ltd around 3 million, heavy rain ltd maybe 1 million.



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klarklar on 20 January 2009
jetrii said:
klarklar said:
jetrii said:
BTFeather55 said:
seece said:
BTFeather55 said:
I've still got to go with Heavy Rain. It reminds me of a David Lynch or Alfred Hitchcock movie. I think Alan Wake is going to have a hard time being a B rated game and will most likely imo turn out like the latest Alone in the Dark or no better than Too Human or Ninja Gaiden II.

 

Again really bad points, letting your bias get the better of you. Remedy made the magnificant Max Payne, ever played it?

 

       Yeah, I've played it.  I tried to play it again last month, but I don't think it has aged all that well.  The console version was a B+ not an A.  Edit:  Actually, I just checked the original xbox version's Game Rankings' score is an 85.914.  It missed being magnificient by 4.086 points.

 

Again, a video of gameplay was posted in the previous page. All we have of Heavy Rain is screenshots and interviews. There is actually an Alan Wake gameplay video. But you are right, right now both games are both a mystery.

 

There is gameplay footage of Heavy Rain, its just as little as Alan Wake thou. Both games wont live up to the hype sales wise, but gameplay I see both exceding.

And to who ever siad Indigo Prochecy 1.5= Heavy Rain, how? You cant have a 1.5 version of a game if you jump generations, they use different engines, graphics, etc.

 

Really? I thought it was just a video composed of cut-scenes, I didn't actually see any gameplay. Think you could post the video? Really interested in seeing it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtQHHwcDYgs

its not much, but it is gameplay, im also assuming jumping thru the window is part of the gameplay

 



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Slimebeast on 20 January 2009
chris1_16 said:
jetrii said:
BTFeather55 said:
seece said:
BTFeather55 said:
I've still got to go with Heavy Rain. It reminds me of a David Lynch or Alfred Hitchcock movie. I think Alan Wake is going to have a hard time being a B rated game and will most likely imo turn out like the latest Alone in the Dark or no better than Too Human or Ninja Gaiden II.

 

Again really bad points, letting your bias get the better of you. Remedy made the magnificant Max Payne, ever played it?

 

       Yeah, I've played it.  I tried to play it again last month, but I don't think it has aged all that well.  The console version was a B+ not an A.  Edit:  Actually, I just checked the original xbox version's Game Rankings' score is an 85.914.  It missed being magnificient by 4.086 points.

 

Again, a video of gameplay was posted in the previous page. All we have of Heavy Rain is screenshots and interviews. There is actually an Alan Wake gameplay video. But you are right, right now both games are both a mystery.

 

Actually, there's a 24 minute gameplay video of heavy rain at game trailers. com

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/295470.html

 

 

I get so frustrated by that demo, because the pace of gameplay is so damn slow and simple and the areas, movement and camera angles are extremely limited. I think I would get bored in 15 minutes if I got the chance to try it.

Heavy Rain is a Full-Motion-Video point n' click adventure of the mid 90's in new clothes. Gabriel Knight: The Beast Within made by Sierra was one such game, and I loved it at the time, but these kind of games feel like dinosaurs now in the age of sandbox.

These games have always been niche, and I can't imagine this one to have mass market appeal either. Yes, Sony fans will keep hyping it, and a lot of people will be impressed by the nice visuals in trailers, but I believe once it is in stores most people will hesitate to actually pay $60 for it.



NinjaKido on 20 January 2009

Alan Wake probably , I don't think either will break a million comfortably unless AW is a tps.



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neotea on 20 January 2009

Alan Wake definately. Heavy Rain on the other side might be a bomb cause of nicheness.



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BTFeather55 on 20 January 2009
Slimebeast said:
chris1_16 said:
jetrii said:
BTFeather55 said:
seece said:
BTFeather55 said:
I've still got to go with Heavy Rain. It reminds me of a David Lynch or Alfred Hitchcock movie. I think Alan Wake is going to have a hard time being a B rated game and will most likely imo turn out like the latest Alone in the Dark or no better than Too Human or Ninja Gaiden II.

 

Again really bad points, letting your bias get the better of you. Remedy made the magnificant Max Payne, ever played it?

 

       Yeah, I've played it.  I tried to play it again last month, but I don't think it has aged all that well.  The console version was a B+ not an A.  Edit:  Actually, I just checked the original xbox version's Game Rankings' score is an 85.914.  It missed being magnificient by 4.086 points.

 

Again, a video of gameplay was posted in the previous page. All we have of Heavy Rain is screenshots and interviews. There is actually an Alan Wake gameplay video. But you are right, right now both games are both a mystery.

 

Actually, there's a 24 minute gameplay video of heavy rain at game trailers. com

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/295470.html

 

 

I get so frustrated by that demo, because the pace of gameplay is so damn slow and simple and the areas, movement and camera angles are extremely limited. I think I would get bored in 15 minutes if I got the chance to try it.

Heavy Rain is a Full-Motion-Video point n' click adventure of the mid 90's in new clothes. Gabriel Knight: The Beast Within made by Sierra was one such game, and I loved it at the time, but these kind of games feel like dinosaurs now in the age of sandbox.

These games have always been niche, and I can't imagine this one to have mass market appeal either. Yes, Sony fans will keep hyping it, and a lot of people will be impressed by the nice visuals in trailers, but I believe once it is in stores most people will hesitate to actually pay $60 for it.

     I don't think it's just an FMV game.  I think it might be broken up into different types of games like Shenmue and Policenauts.  I think the motorcycle will be able to be used just as one was in Shenmue and I also think there will be some gunplay in the game.

 



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Jo21 on 20 January 2009

both are niche titles.

and made by over perfectionist studios.

i think as graphics/storyline heavy rain will be better but m$ is better marketing it games.

neither will be huge sellers. i think i hope i am proven wrong.



ZenfoldorVGI on 20 January 2009

In all seriousness, I wonder if anyone besides myself has actually played Max Payne AND Indigo Prophecy.

Maybe one or two of you.

The point is, while we're all guessing, mine is actually educated.

I'm guessing both games will reach upper 8s on gamerankings, while Heavy Rain will flop, Alan Wake will reach some marginally successful sales on PC/360 combined.

Neither will make a huge splash, but either one of them could end up being my, and thus the only important, game of the year.



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Squilliam on 20 January 2009
Groucho said:
jetrii said:
Groucho said:

Alan Wake will sell better (maybe), but Heavy Rain will get the critical acclaim. I kinda think Alan Wake is past the point where it could possibly be a great game. It may be "okay".

If the devs were really talented, it would have been finished by now, rather than dragging on this long. They probably backpedaled a couple times to push the date out this far (5 years now? It was shown, and claimed to be "pretty far along" before the 360 was even released), and that's never good for the end product.

 

Remedy is a third the size of studios working on similar projects. What other developers do in 2 years could easily take 5 if their staff was as small as Remedy's. And no, Alan Wake has only been actively in development for 3 years.  The fact that a game in development this long looks this good is a testament to Remedy's competence. They designed the game with future graphics in mind, not current. But I do agree with you, Alan Wake will sell better but Heavy Rain will receive better reviews.

Alan Wake had a full-on CGI trailer at E3 2005 (nearly 4 years ago), and the design was pretty far along.  They showed gameplay in 2006 (3 years ago).  "In development" includes pre-production -- Alan Wake has been in the design and development phase for at least 4 years now, probably closer to 5 by the time the game is released, as I stated.  Games don't get CGI trailers at E3 until they are decently far along, to begin with.

Alan Wake is far overdue.  Also, Remedy is not so small, really -- their website claims they have 40 developers, and if they are all commited to AW, then their team is not much smaller than most large-scale devteams (50-60 is usually the biggest it gets, for one game -- larger studios have more than one game in progress, and if they have more than about 60 people on a single game, they are almost certainly overspending).

Don't get me wrong, Remedy is awesome in my book -- Max Payne and its sequel were great games.  However, AW is taking too long, and is looking mighty suspect now, as a quality contender.  People get tired of working on the same game for too long, which is really the main issue with a project dragging on -- I sincerely hope that Remedy pulls through and brings us a hit.

 

Insomniac -> 200 staff members

Guerilla Games -> 120+ staff members

So really, its Killzone 2 which has taken ages if you consider the sheer number of developers working on it.

 



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