Zak and Wiki failed? That's a bummer.

Hey psrock, can you please tell Capcom that it was a disappointment? Because halfway through last year they went and cited it as a success, so they're obviously not privy to this secret, and I don't feel like being the one to break their hearts.

Edit: And I see Boom Blox isn't doing so well after all, contrary to what EA's president said in interviews. Let them know too, so they can cancel the sequel before they make a big mistake.

I'll agree with your assertion that many Wii titles undersell, and that some folks on this site can't admit to that. But you'll need to pick better examples.

At least you didnt' say No More Heroes, though.

funny, right. He went straight to attacking Haze, which i could care less about.

Of course it does. The only problem confronting Wii development is the fact that developers don't know what will succeed.

Pretty much any quality project will make a profit, but it's easier to know what will really sell, 2-4 million kinda sell, on PS360. Aside from the fact that Western development relies largely on a powerful platform and upon online play, the two things Wii doesn't do well.

The myth about sales has been busted, but it doesn't solve all problems

sorry. =[ i was just anxiously awaiting your rebuttal, and you didn't even adress any of the points he had made.

Wanna point me to where I attacked anything?

I was agreeing with you about Haze--you yourself said that it was a failure, and I was actually backing you up.

The first line of my post was just a bit of humour, but I see you couldn't understand that.

Try again, sir

Yep.  Its from just one guy, and in my own experience, it is very far from typical.  Art doesn't take longer to make -- it takes a long time to REmake, as the engine changes.  If GT5 has been re-engineered several times over, said artist would need to rework a model again and again, such that the shaders fit the new rendering pipeline, the textures work well as new features are added to the engine, the verts may need to be optimized to fit after the engine proves that the first model performs poorly according to a fresh standard, the car may need to be reduced due to memory issues the game doesn't encounter from the beginning, etc.

The same engineering problems can and will occur with a Wii dev team.  GT5 may have completely re-organized their dev team, and Sony may be paying them to optimize the crap out of GT5, relative to previous GTs.  Art teams are also usually cheaper, compared to engineering teams.  The supposed cost savings between Wii and PS360 development just aren't there in quantity, even if this comment weren't grossly inflated, which, honestly, I believe it is.

And yes, to have a realistic average, you need a decent-sized sample, not just a quip or two.  You don't have to do the work yourself, necessarily... point us to a NPD report... or something.  Anything.

i dont really care, but it bugs me that each time a game fail to sell, you guys bring up the profit excuse. sadly, this is a sales site and Haze probably as huge a failure as it is still sold more or in the same ball park than zak and wiki. They both failed, one failed harder.

I was only making this post to show that 3rd party Wii games do sell, and some of them we think are not that great do sell rather well.

I will have to ask for a link supporting your claims about GT5, the same way you asked for them.

I am also still wondering why PS3 and 360 games are more expensive than last-gen and Wii games, and why publishers are seeing higher revenues and lower profits (meaning higher expenses).

But hey, as if all the stuff I said is not enough, let's see a few more links saying the same thing:

Capcom - http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163572

THQ - http://www.gamespot.com/wii/driving/cars/news.html?sid=6149154

I'm tired of googling for links. Really, I think the burden of proof is on you now.

I think it's important to note that most of those games would not have sold anywhere those numbers on PS360, which is why the Wii is and will continue to be important to game developers.

Shure, the "hardcore" buy a lot of games but they are also extremely polarized. Only a select few types of games have a chance at making money on the HD consoles.