ahhhhh the hardcore gamer. Abandoned in a basket out on the cold ruthless streets of a place called reality. Unable to look after himself he fills the internet with long desperate cries which pierce our tortured minds as they reverberate endlessly around forums. Will anybody answer the call, or will this dying species wither away into obscurity, becoming a relic of a distant past?

I don't know how much strategy is involved in the vast majority of RTSs. With the exception of few (such as close combat) most just devolve into how fast you can click a mouse.

On the other hand, you do have to memorize a build order so that by itself makes any RTS at least 5x more hardcore than any FPS.

"LBP is hardly a casual title. It is supposed to be accessible because it is a platformer and has a cuteness level to it. But it takes hardcore dedication to crank out levels for it. And if you have seen some levels people did, the being hardcore committed comes through. Some levels are just plain hard also.

People need to STOP defining hardcore as bucketloads of blood, and maximum gore."

I agree with this and neither are Smash or Mario Kart or other Wii titles people claim as "casual" because they don't have it.

wait until the coming E3 to say that
If they only announce crappy and casual games like Lips and Scene it for the rest of the year,they are definately losing me coz I am going to get a PS3 for Killzone 2,Uncharted 2 and God of War 3.
BTW,Halo 3:ODST should not be even called as a game.
It is just a money-gripping and lame expansion to Halo 3.
Moreover,MS's strategy of announcing games only a couple months before release really pisses me off.I hope they will deliver some real stuff in E3.

@Alby: I wasn't meaning M$ attacking Nintendo, but the opposite.

M$ has relied on strategy called "moneyhatting".

I hope you are right... because when I see the XBOX 360 Elite bundled with Kung-Fu Panda and Lego Indiana Jones, I'm a bit stressed !

Haven't I seen this thread for each platform?

Eh, just add a pair of scribbled slabs, a talkative flaming shrubbery and a bunch of followers and he could found a brand new hardcore religion... Monotheistic too!  

Yes, but I was meaning that Nintendo wouldn't even consider attacking M$ if not threatened, although they didn't commit the error of underestimating them. It could anyway be said that radically innovating in unforeseen directions and completely refusing the performance race, Nintendo actually attacked first both Sony and MS, although the intention was, more than attacking, carving a new section of the market for itself.