50% of the market is hardcore? So by the number of PS2's sold that means there are 60 million hardcore gamers. Is that your assertion?

What do you mean by "segmented based on lack of competition?"

I believe Wii will not see nearly the same success that it has now next gen. Unless the wii 2 has something else revolutionary to get ppl to go and buy it. Most ppl that bought a wii did so for wii sports and the like and most probably will have not much of a reason to upgrade.

But thats just me. I think M$ has just as good of a chance as Nintendo or SONY does next gen

If you take a look at the history of Nintendo controllers you'll notice that they change their controller drastically EVERY generation which to me says that Wii 2 won't have a simple Wii Remote upgrade

8 year olds, eh?

@impulsivity You sound a bit like MS flaming because you fail to give them credit for attaining a monoply in sectors like OSs to work from. When you set the standard, both technically and culturally, for Word processors and operating systems for 90% of users I would say that takes a lot of skill to begin with. To maintain such a dominance for almost 15 years now is amazing as well. Look at the basic user interface setup for any of the newer office programs or internet browsers and they are basically variations on MS's templates. BTW I'm writing this on a Windows 7 Beta partition and it beats the snot out of Vista.

Impulsivity, Sony has been a follower for many years now and that's the source of most of their present troubles.

I could talk long about it but it isn't the topic of this thread and besides, with a live card under my post it would just be just read as hate/bashing.

MS always works with formulas that worked in the past without thinking forward. MS was trying really hard to make the 360 like the PS2 when society has moved to the Wii.

By re-inforcing their strangle hold on console gaming online. By including a HDD out of the box. By moulding their controller as a next step up from their last gen console controller. By making a HD console.

Right.. they're really following the PS2.

I know what you were trying to get at, but the only way in which the 360 tried to immitate the PS2 is the same way a new console always tries to immitate the number 1. In this case the only reasonable link you could make is that MS went out of their way to secure previously exclusive series and new series exclusively on their platform. But that's what any competitor with half a brain would do anyway.

The way I see it, whilst none of the 3 companies are true innovators, Nintendo tend to be the most "left field" in their approach, with Sony leeching off of their ideas that work and including them in future playstations.

We can't know for sure until the next generation what MS "business strategy" is, considering that any logical newcomer would have copied the then industry leader, but that's not to say that MS copies Sony.

I was thinking in terms of trying to have every third party game on their console, which gets them part of the way there.  In this generation, having good online of high specs out of the box (MS and Sony) was not what the majority wanted.  An inviting control scheme that doesn't put off non-gamers was what worked for Nintendo.

yes i think m$ can and will win a generation at some point, but i feel it will be sooner than later though.