Hey! Delete those immediately! There's a good reason I didn't include them in my post.

:p

& you failed when u made fallout 3 Goty because the majority wanted MGS4 I HATE YU!

That felt good XD

im_sneaky,

Your opinion about Wii music being bad is subjective. A lot of people that purchased the game would disagree with you. Also from the very beginning, Nintendo knew that Wii music would not appeal to every one, nor does Rockband or Guitar Hero. Just go check Shigeru Miyamoto's comments about the IGN review.

IGN, just wanted Wii Music to fail because they do not like the success Nintendo is having with the Casual and Non gamer. They want every game Nintendo develops to be a core game. Yet they say Nothing about Ubisoft, Capcom, EA, or any other developer that makes casual games. As I stated before, Where is the campaign to stop the sale of Ubisoft's Z titles.

Furthermore, IGN is going to find their site irrelevant this gen and in the future if they continue to be intolerant to Casuals and Nongamers. What they should do is treat them as regual gamers and try and attract them to their site. There is enough room in the industry to support all types of games and gamers. The PC has been and still is a successful gaming platform because of this. Consoles can be that way too.

Well, as a guy who's with Nintendo during the hardest times, Matt ought to be more than happy for Wii to be in front, regardless of what types of games make it sell.

He's like a beggar who feels depressed now that he's won the Euromillions and living in a big mansion rather than on the streets.

Nah, Matt has the right attitude (in one way). He followed Nintendo not because it was "Nintendo," but because it delivered him the games he liked. Where he's wrong is in thinking that because Nintendo is also aiming for the Expanded Audience, it must be ignoring the Core gamer.

It's rather like a child whose parents have a second kid. The first child thus starts thinking that Daddy doesn't love him anymore. It's sad and pathetic, but it's also the attitude that most game bloggers have taken.

^Which brings the question. Just what games do those bloggers want on the Wii?

Decent efforts like De Blob, Boom Blox, Shaun White and Dragon Quest Swords hardly get acknowledged.

Yes, but although they were decent (major DQ fan here), you can't say they were 'great' either.  And what should have came out along side those games were some AAA, or at least A titles.  The way IGN acts is inexcusable, but its understandable as they're like a little kid on the playground running over to a new friend seeing that you didn't bring the toys he wanted to play with that day.  Just he's turning around with his new friends and making fun of you for playing with those 'toys' while he tries to make his toys seem like a Blackberry and George Foreman Grill.

My opinion? They want all of the consoles to cater exclusively to them first, with only token efforts directed at other groups. For whatever bizzare reason, they find the notion that Nintendo wants to include women, older males, etc. in gaming as deeply offensive. They want, in essence, more of the same.

So if the Wii had cutting-edge graphics, and fewer games targeted towards new and underserved gamers...

We'd have the Gamecube 2, with sales reflecting that.

I'd say they want a higher output of traditional titles, except that Nintendo's already released quite a few high-quality traditional titles for the system.

I'd say they want more "mature" titles from Nintendo, except it hasn't released those for the DS.

I don't have a good answer to your question, I'm afraid. Everything I can think of gets contradicted by another fact. In the end, it simply seems to me that many bloggers don't like what Nintendo is (i.e. a company that doesn't cater just to narrow tastes). But even THAT explanation isn't perfect, seeing as how few people have a problem with Nintendo's handhelds...

I don't know dude. I just don't know.

I'm just shooting from the hip here, but despite the DS's massive success, it's only the successor to previous massive successes.  In fact, it's seeing stronger handheld competition than Nintendo has ever had to face before.  The Wii, on the other hand, has brought Nintendo up from last place in incredibly dramatic fashion, putting the "hardcore" consoles to shame with the greatest of ease and reversing over a decade of slow declines in Nintendo's popularity.

The Wii is MUCH more of a threat to hardcore egos than the DS is.

I had considered that, but it doesn't quite fit in my mind. I recall the hardcore mocking the DS even worse than they did the Wii during the unveiling, and for two years after (when the DS wasn't doing too hot at all, and was still being outsold by the GBA). True, Nintendo was always king of the handhelds, but for a while there it seemed the DS would end that streak, and there was much rejoicing.

But what really grabs me about this is the fact that the DS is not only being grudgingly tolerated by the hardcore (now), but that it's being outright embraced by them, with a vocal minority even preferring it to all the consoles. I think that's the part that's really throwing me off. The DS is crammed with shovelware, and "non-games" (the most advertised Nintendo game on the system at the moment is basically a cook book! And they're pushing e-books for the DS!). So why the love? The DS still stands for everything the hardcore loathe about the Wii (more so, even), and there's a clear competitor who's willing to push graphics, online, multi-media, and everything else on the hardcore's wishlist. It just seems so inconsistent to me, especially when it's obvious that the DS and its "casual" and "non-games" are clearly shaping what the future of handheld gaming will be like.

To be honest, this makes me suspect that the hardcore will come around to the Wii soon enough as well, although I'll admit to that being more gut-feeling than anything I can support.

Also, thinking back on it, I suspect that if Nintendo had spaced out Mario Kart and Brawl, and then tossed in three or four more traditional games throughout the rest of the year, we'd be hearing a lot less whining from the hardcore. I almost think they were on the brink around April...with the unexpected E3 emphasis on Wii Music and Animal Crossing marking some sort of shift. Again, though, that's more gut-feeling than anything.