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FishyJoe on 15 January 2009

Nintendo and Activision make up 80% of the top 10. While Left 4 dead did better than expected, EA still got left in the dust. Not having RB2 for the Wii ready was inexcusable.



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Kenology on 15 January 2009
BengaBenga said:
TheSource said:

I'm very suspicious of the Wii number given that December had five weeks and that November had four.

2.04m/4 weeks in Nov = 510k/week

2.15m/5 weeks in Dec = 430k/week

 

Does anyone really believe Nintendo would ship more in November weeks than in December weeks? If they just sent a massive allocation for November and hoped it would hold and sent a comparable allocation for December its a pretty terrible tactical decision.

I'm usually not a sceptical man, but I'm with you here. I honestly can't believe these numbers are real Especially not considering VGC was very close to the rest of the consoles.

 

Yeah.  Something is just not right about this.

 



auxerre on 15 January 2009
Magnific0 said:
Microsoft failed. They cut the price and earned $50 less of everyone of those 1.4 million 360s they sold in December. That's about US$70 million they didn't make. Considering the differences in prices between 360's SKU's ($200, $300, $350) and PS3's SKUs ($400, $500) a simple calculation says Microsoft didn't make more than US$80 million over the PS3 earnings even when outselling it 2:1. Major LOL. Note: We're talking about both companies earned from 300-400 million dollars in hardwares sales alone. Sure, Microsoft wins a little extra market share and saves some face, and also sold some good extra software this holiday season, but can they keep it up now that the shopping season is over...and a PS3 price cut is soon to come, 360 days of joy will end just as abruptly as they started after that price cut!

Completely ignoring how much the respective consoles cost to produce is the only way this entire post makes any sense whatsoever. Microsoft breaks even on their hardware even with the price cut. Sony loses money on every PS3 they sell. Multiplication with negative numbers is always a negative number.

For a measley fifty dollar price cut, Microsoft has succeeded beyond their wildest expectations. They're dominating Sony in the US, and most notably, now in Europe, too. 

 



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PalmiNio on 15 January 2009
Magnific0 said:
Microsoft failed. They cut the price and earned $50 less of everyone of those 1.4 million 360s they sold in December. That's about US$70 million they didn't make. Considering the differences in prices between 360's SKU's ($200, $300, $350) and PS3's SKUs ($400, $500) a simple calculation says Microsoft didn't make more than US$80 million over the PS3 earnings even when outselling it 2:1. Major LOL. Note: We're talking about both companies earned from 300-400 million dollars in hardwares sales alone. Sure, Microsoft wins a little extra market share and saves some face, and also sold some good extra software this holiday season, but can they keep it up now that the shopping season is over...and a PS3 price cut is soon to come, 360 days of joy will end just as abruptly as they started after that price cut!

 

And software sales do not count?

And selling system with negative income and lower then last year is good?



Predictions for 2009:

360: 39-42 PS3: 31-34 Wii: 67-70

Future projection

Wii will hit 100 million before christmas 2010 (made december 2008)

NDS Family will have sold and shipped more then PS2 at the end of 2009 (made january 2009)

Barozi on 15 January 2009
Passenger57 said:
Soriku said:

Is that Mario chasing Dmeister J!

I appreciate that



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DMeisterJ on 15 January 2009
FishyJoe said:
Nintendo and Activision make up 80% of the top 10. While Left 4 dead did better than expected, EA still got left in the dust. Not having RB2 for the Wii ready was inexcusable.

Considering how good RB1 (and GH: WT) was selling on the Wii, it was stupid.

Also, GH: WT may have finally put the nail in the coffin of the Wii/3rd party argument.

@ hyruken

No it's not good, but you act like the drop was like fifty percent or something.  Don't sensationalize.  It's worrying, but not life-or-death like you're coming across.

As I said, stop sensationalizing.



FishyJoe on 15 January 2009
Hyruken said:

 

 Its actually a 9% drop and yes dropping 9% at the busiest time of year in a market everyone else is growing is nasty. There is no spin you can put on it. The Wii,360,DS are all growing in sales while the Sony products are decreasing. These numbers will force Sony into either accepting 3rd place this gen or dropping prices.

 

The worst part of it is that there was only one PS3 software title in the top ten, and it barely made it and it got smoked by the 360 version. Software is where most of the profit is made. Third party developers won't be encouraged by these results.



ameratsu on 15 January 2009

great left4dead sales, good to see it selling so well. wish we knew what the pc sales were like.



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Aj_habfan on 15 January 2009
Kenology said:
BengaBenga said:
TheSource said:

I'm very suspicious of the Wii number given that December had five weeks and that November had four.

2.04m/4 weeks in Nov = 510k/week

2.15m/5 weeks in Dec = 430k/week

 

Does anyone really believe Nintendo would ship more in November weeks than in December weeks? If they just sent a massive allocation for November and hoped it would hold and sent a comparable allocation for December its a pretty terrible tactical decision.

I'm usually not a sceptical man, but I'm with you here. I honestly can't believe these numbers are real Especially not considering VGC was very close to the rest of the consoles.

 

Yeah.  Something is just not right about this.

 

Simple. Either a shortage of Wii's, they overtracked last month, or the demand is down. Take your pick.

 



TWRoO on 15 January 2009
DMeisterJ said:
Oyvoyvoyv said:
TheSource said:

I'm very suspicious of the Wii number given that December had five weeks and that November had four.

2.04m/4 weeks in Nov = 510k/week

2.15m/5 weeks in Dec = 430k/week

 

Does anyone really believe Nintendo would ship more in November weeks than in December weeks? If they just sent a massive allocation for November and hoped it would hold and sent a comparable allocation for December its a pretty terrible tactical decision.

November software:

 1. Gears of War 2 (Microsoft, Xbox 360) - 1.56 million
2. Call of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard, Xbox 360) - 1.41 million
3. Wii Play (Nintendo, Wii) - 796,000
4. Wii Fit (Nintendo, Wii) - 697,000
5. Mario Kart (Nintendo, Wii) - 637,00
6. Call of Duty: World At War (Activision Blizzard, PS3) - 597,000 
7. Guitar Hero: World Tour (Activision Blizzard, Wii) - 475,000 
8. Left 4 Dead (Electronic Arts, Xbox 360) - 410,000
9. Resistance 2 (Sony, PlayStation 3) - 385,000
10. Wii Music (Nintendo, Wii) - 297,000

 

 

December software:

1. Wii Play w/ remote - Wii – Nintendo – 1.46 million
2. Call of Duty: World at War - Xbox 360 – Activision – 1.33 million*
3. Wii Fit w/ balance board – Wii – Nintendo – 999K
4. Mario Kart Wii w/ wheel – Wii – Nintendo – 979K
5. Guitar Hero: World Tour - Wii – Activision – 850K*
6. Gears of War 2 - Xbox 360 – Microsoft – 745K*
7. Left 4 Dead - Xbox 360 – Electronic Arts – 629K
8. Mario Kart - DS – Nintendo – 540K
9. Call of Duty: World at War - PS3 – Activision – 533K
10. Animal Crossing: City Folk - Wii – Nintendo – 497K*

 

Total for each

November: 7264K

December: 8562K

 

Pr week that is

November: 1816K

December: 1712K

 

So the top 10 software was actually lower in December than in November? Seems a bit fishy to me.

5 weeks versus 4 weeks, and lack of Black friday doesn't seem too fishy at all.

 

How long have you been here DMJ....December is the 5 week month. but that doesn't matter, he accounted for that by figuring out the weekly.

The other thing that is fishy by the way, is the huge rise in Wii Play sales, because Wii Play generally follows the hardware sales because new Wii owners buy it to get an extra controller.... so wtf is Wii Play doing almost doubling it's sales from Nov-Dec when the Wii barely rose.

If there was a supply issue with the Wii, fewer people would have bought Wii Play.