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xlost7 on 11 January 2009
Swoosh2000 said:
Munkeh111 said:

FF are you joking, it will move tons of consoles in Japan, there is no way it wont happen. CC moved the 77,777 LE PSP consoles in like a week, and FF is one of the biggest franchises ever

GT 5 Prologue moved many consoles, 5 will. All previous entries have reached nearly 10m or more, the lowest main series game is at 9.37m, I have no doubt these games will move consoles

 

How many people who are hardcore Gran Turismo or Final Fantasy fans already own a PS3 though? Many of them have probably already picked the system up in anticipation of those games (GT5 Prolouge is also already out). 

This sounds exactly like Nintendo fans during the GameCube era. Wait for Super Mario Sunshine! Wait for Zelda! Wait for Resident Evil 4! etc. etc. etc. They got boosts, sure, but it was never a sustained push, and the same thing has happened to the PS3. 

I call it "third place-itis" only difference is this generation around it's Sony that got it.

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theprof00 on 11 January 2009
Mummelmann said:
theprof00 said:
libellule said:
hum,

I will summize saying :

"Exclusivities won't help THAT MUCH ..."

Indeed, u have to consider every IP separately, some may generate momentum, some may not.
If Sony is lucky, they will succeed to bring an IP that can generate some hardware sales (like GoW2). Same goes for MS.

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Also, I will agree because I know several people who have bought their consoles because of the games (exclusives included).

I think the real issue is that they cannot drop the price, but they are adding value by giving you a reason not to buy 360.

 

 

What a pointless spell check, if you're gonna correct someone, at least do it correctly...

Hey I'm just trying to let him know that there is a verb version of the noun summary.

 



Kzoellner on 11 January 2009

those great exclusives can possibly help turn things around for sony only if the the market gets a reason to try and see it. I cant name the number of times I went place and wiis were setup everywhere. I was at a huge art convention this past summer and they had a wii demo setup.



irstupid on 11 January 2009

I think variety sells systems. The hardcore gamers will most likely have most systems anyway. And the hardcore make up maybe 20 million people at most.

So then the rest goes down to the rest of the people and what they like. All these so called great exclusives that come out for 360 and PS3 are all games in the EXACT same genre as many of the other games that are already out for that system.

So if Joe Smoe hasn't boughten the system yet for all the other FPS why would he finally be like OMG Killzone 2. Sure you may sway over some of that 20 million that own the other system and not a PS3 yet.

But the average person is looking and some may be like "ooh a scooby doo game" "ooh a barbie game" "a nerf game" and so on. The PS2 had all of these millions of Shovelware as you say. But there were people that saw those games as games that THEY wanted to play.

Heck i'm a One Piece fan, and there are only One Piece games on the Wii, so if i want to play them i have to get a Wii. Same was with DBZ for a while.



So Exclusives sell systems, but shovelware exclusives in YOUR HARDCORE eyes.



De85 on 11 January 2009
Mummelmann said:
Technically, if many people buy a console in anticipation of games (I'm guessing many folks bought a 360 early on, looking forward to Fable II and Halo 3 for instance and I know many bought the PS3 early on because they knew that MGS 4 and GT5 were coming), can't it be said that those games are system sellers even if the boosts during and after launch aren't massive?

 

I agree with this post and am somewhat disappointed it was largely overlooked.  The problem then becomes of course, that it is impossible to quantify the effect that a given game has.  Wii Sports is clearly the biggest system seller this gen, but I don't doubt that Halo 3 moved several million 360's all by itself.



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Bodhesatva on 11 January 2009

This is nonsense: of course exclusives sell systems. As do multiplatform games: e.g, Madden.

I'm not sure what exclusives you're thinking of specifically, but I would guess you have a certain number of exclusives in mind. The fact that these games (whatever they may be) did not move systems doesn't mean that exclusives don't sell systems, it means the games you're talking about didn't.

The best examples this generation are Wii Sports and Wii Fit. Does anyone here honestly believe these games aren't moving systems? Anyone? I'd hope not. On the flipside, there are  games like EA Playground and Game Party which are not selling systems.

This should prove that exclusives can sell systems, but don't necessarily have to. Therefore, if the games you're thinking of aren't selling systems, this simply proves that the games in question aren't system sellers, while other games are.

 



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Bodhesatva on 11 January 2009

I'm just going to repeat this for emphasis. Let's go through your thought process:

1) Exclusive Game [X], Game [Y] and Game [Z] were not system sellers.
2) Therefore, no game is a system seller.

I would recommend that your sample size is too small and, much more damning to your hypothesis, we actually have recent, very conclusive examples of exclusive games selling systems. This proves that exclusive games can sell systems: it's just that Game [X], Game [Y], and Game [Z] are not among them.



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irstupid on 11 January 2009
Bodhesatva said:

I'm just going to repeat this for emphasis. Let's go through your thought process:

1) Exclusive Game [X], Game [Y] and Game [Z] were not system sellers.
2) Therefore, no game is a system seller.

I would recommend that your sample size is too small and, much more damning to your hypothesis, we actually have recent, very conclusive examples of exclusive games selling systems. This proves that exclusive games can sell systems: it's just that Game [X], Game [Y], and Game [Z] are not among them.

Yes games can be system sellers, but there's only so many that can be in the same genre.   I don't see Killzone 2, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, or other big hyped shooters are gonna be system sellers at all.

 

The reason is not becuase they are not great games but because we have had a ton of FPS games that have been out already to draw those people to the system already.  The system sellers will be the new games to the system like when Final Fantasy comes out, or other games that are big name games in a GENRE that isn't already FLOODED on the system.

 

My point basically meaning:  You can only have so many system sellers in ONE GENRE.



SickleSigh on 12 January 2009

How was MGS4 not a system seller? Seemed to me it boosted the fuck out of PS3 sales and Ps3 was ahead of Xbox for a while. Both systems exclusives don't have great legs therefor no exclusive can keep momentum of first week sales a whole year later. Only thing that will help Ps3 is price cut but you can quote me on this when FF13 gets released in Japan it will be a system seller for a week or 2.