Hopefully MP3 and galaxy will shut up most of these kind of discussions...truth be told i still have to c anything on wii that blantly couldn't be done on GC..definitly nothing that comes close to 2 to 3 times the power..however the 2 titles i menshioned above are a clear step up from GC and this impression is coming from streaming video not screen shots...this miyamoto quote is the simple truth,it's old but it still stands;



"If there's only one piece of advice that I could give to the managers of third party companies, it would be that a lot of times it seems that when they're putting games out on Nintendo hardware, those games are being developed by their third-string team or their fourth-string team. Maybe that's because they see those products as being unique projects or somewhat smaller-scale projects. But when Nintendo puts out a title that is designed to really support and sell its hardware, that title is always developed by one of our number one teams. And so I think that when it comes to the question of trying to compete with our software, I would really like to see the parties try to do that with their number one teams rather than with the third- or fourth-string teams."

Red Steel looKED like crap half the time and the other half the lighting and stuff amazedd me... lol it's like 2 different developers were used when u look at some of the stuff in the game...

Red steel was unfinished buisness..it was obviously rushed towards the end to meet deadline..i mean come on, first your looking at the hotel reception and saying "ohh thats some pretty nice reflections right there" then you go to open one of the side doors in said area and u find a closet with nothing inside????

Red steel was a launch game personified. Great ideas, Ambitious plans and at least 5 months too early. Red Steel two should really impress.

 I always find that quote odd....  Nintendo only has First string teams...  the only crappy stuff that comes out of Nintendo is the stuff made by someone else that Nintendo has distributed as their own.  

just published from them u mean? yeah i can agree with that although usually they don't publish pure crap if its not working..what miyamoto says is basically if you want to sell more than us you better make the effort...it's as simple as that really..

Reason Wii graphics look like crap at the moment is simple 3rd partys making rushed games to get a piece of the pie that is the profits that come with Wii games by middle of next year the Wii games will look decent and definately look like they cant be done on the GC.

Donno if they are willing to do the effort though...i mean look at stuff from EA..both tiger 08 and madden 08 run on the exact same engine..just a bit of  dusting and move on jobs.. the exclusives are the ones with the potential..thats why nintendo first and second party will always look way better..the next best thing at the moment is most probably capcom..

Well 1st party games always look the best and i mean exclusive Wii games will look alot better.

 I agree , if Metroid fails to capture the hardcore FPS gamers on the Wii , and if Ubisoft finally puts some effort in there games , than Red Steel schould be the perfect Wii FPS :)