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Mummelmann on 05 January 2009

They can't simply cut the price, it needs to be slashed!
And we need BC now, so people can make use of the massive PS2 library!



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arsenicazure on 05 January 2009

Didnt 360 just manage a huge turnaround over ps3 in europe.. until the last 2 price cuts sony had managed to lower the gap to nearly 600k units- now the gap is back to near 1.5million units.. I think the console is performing the worst in JAPAN, until the last 2 months that is. It was getting outsold by the 360.. yup..things got THAT bad!

I dont think videogamers care where their products come from.. almost everything sold in america comes from asia/china.. console gamers are no different. I think american gamers are primarily looking for a gaming machine- whereas european/other markets look for a more all round machine. blu ray movies in NA, cost half of what it does in europe, yet sales in europe seem riper- I'd expect a higher uptake of the PS3.. oh well price cuts are in order.. or lots of bundle ins!



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S.T.A.G.E. on 05 January 2009
KBG29 said:
@S.T.A.G.E.

I am confused at your post in referance to mine. To make money Sony has to leave the PS3 price were it is. Dropping the price means Sony dragging the PS3 through losses to make it sell better. No matter how you look at it loosing money just to try to be able to claim second place is bad buisness. Loosing money to keep the PS3 alive was one thing, but doing so for bragging rights is another.

If Sony sticks with the $399 price point through all of 2009. Markets the crap out of the extreamly impressive games line-up they have coming in 09. Loosens up the DRM on the Video store, while adding a music store, and marketing them both. Gets Home up to speed, with new content every week, and tons of advertising. If Sony can do all of that, and mrket it well, they can sell another 10M PS3's at $399, and that will be fine. If next year ends; Wii - 80M, 360 - 43M, and PS3 - 30M there is nothing to worry about.

Sorry for the confusion. Sony should break even in 2009, so dropping the price soon after will help the cause. Sony can market the crap out of the PS3 all they want. It will not increase sales. What saved Sony's ass in 2008 to begin with was a price drop and MGS4. Sony got into the game knowing they would be at a loss because they put Blu Ray in the system. They have to try to be as competitive as possible. Acting like nothing is wrong will decrease marketshare.

 



Pristine20 on 05 January 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
forevercloud3000 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
forevercloud3000 said:
@Dino

The only consumers that seem to be denying the capabilities of the PS3 is AMERICA. Europe is very soon to be taken by PS3 over 360, and Japan is a lost cause for 360 with PS3 out selling it 3/1.

America is the country to be hit by this recession the hardest(seeing they started it). With the complete lack of funds America cannot afford the PS3 right now. America also has a very strong harboring bias against the PS3 in favor of the 360. 360 is an American made product that is doing successful. Americans NEED American products to do good because they boost economy. They need it more now then ever. This is why I believe US publications to be so increasingly and deliberately misleading about PS3 information. Almost everything is tried to turn into a negative.

It is not too late. It has barely even begun...

 

 Um no. America has the highest rate of consumption of the PS3 out of all the countries its being sold to. The 360 just so happens to appeal to Americans more and the price is an extra treat. Don't put this on Americans when they've been open minded to the PS3 and Japan have been biased towards the 360. Microsoft has done everything under the sun for them and they are ungrateful. Outsiders will always blame America for all of the shit that goes wrong elsewhere.  

 

Firstly, I am American(USA cit) for your information. I am not some foreigner looking in from the outside, quite the opposite.

Second, how can you even refute this when the information is right on the front of VGchartz?

US-

PS3:7.43million

360:15.71milliion

Others(Europe)-

PS3:9.14million

360:10.66million

Japan-

PS3:2.70million

360:0.87million

 

So if we look at this information given to us by vg chartz

Japan:PS3 is winning by a 3 to 1 ratio.

Others(Europe):360 BARELY! They are difinitely going to lose others before US is taken. This is practically assured.

US: With one of the largest populations around, this is the country that the PS3 has an obvious defeat. Who cares whether if its the country has sold the most units in, it is still also the country that has PS3 behind sales in WW sales. It is the one country that resists PS3 penetration while all others have embraced it.

And as a member of the US, YES, there is a butt ton of bias here. I see it everyday.

I don't care if you are American. I have plenty of Japanese sympathizers (Usually anime fanatics) in my wide circle of friends. This doesn't strengthen your argument. First of all Europe is not a country, it's a continent with many countries. Because of this it strengthens the validity of the fact that America as a whole has given more to the cause. All the 360 needs is the west. If Microsoft had japan by even 1 million that would be one million more of a gap in the race between Microsoft and Sony. You know just as well as I do that Japan has more nationalistic pride than America when it comes to sales. In America we'll buy anything as long as it's quality and the right price. You can refute this all you want, but this is why Japanese products have dominated in America from Televisions to cars. Don't call this bias if you have no proof.

 

C'mon now. Europe is usually compared as a whole to America because of the population available to sell to. Europe has 400+ mil people but some of these people live in countries that aren't first world so won't help the sales chart much. America has 300 mil people all in a first world country.

Also, America has a single official language while each european country has a different language which tends to hinder localization and sales as well. For these reasons, I think forevercloud's comparisons are fair.

I also have to agree with him on the bias here in the US. For proof, go to your local gamestop and do some chatting.

I do agree with you however about Japanese having way more nationalistic pride than America. I do have to point out however that one  reason for that could be that Japan consists of only traditional Japanese people for the most part. They don't allow much immigration from what I've heard while the US is an immigrant country period. There are some things that bring all types of Americans together though like many sports.

 



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It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

S.T.A.G.E. on 05 January 2009
Mummelmann said:
They can't simply cut the price, it needs to be slashed!
And we need BC now, so people can make use of the massive PS2 library!

 

 1. Slashing the price would be suicide for the PS3.

 2. Putting BC back into the PS3 would raise production costs.

Just to let you know, your statement is kind of a sales contradiction. 



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forevercloud3000 on 05 January 2009

America is the obvious sourse of Sony's sales woes. I don't even see how this is refutable as the numbers dont like....

What is the difference between the PS3 and 360 in America?
-7.5million

What is the difference between the PS3 and 360 in Others?
-1million

How much total is the PS3 behind the 360?
-8.5million

Hmm now lets do some math, shall we? Which is the bigger chunk of the 8.5million?

America is the PS3's shortcoming, FACT! And as an American I can tell you it is NOT because its a bad product, NOT because it has no games. It is because America NEEDs 360 to succeed and PS3 works against that. THis is why you get 100+ articles every week all stating the PS3 is going to FAIL by the next coming week. This is why you get articles stating that BluRay is DEAD and DD is the Future?Right after hard numbers were released saying BD has a 350% increase? Right

You would thing Americans would know better though. I know our education rates are rediculously low compared to some others but where were they during Kindergarden? The first thing they teach you is "NEVER BUY AMERICAN!!!!" They lul you in with flashy prices then break your heart with shoddy products. Proof?
-GM/Ford, crap cars, everyone hates them, they are basically going out of business and our GOVERNMENT has to save them to help our economy.

-Windows VISTA, a load of hot garbage, no one liked this damn OS, IT was so wretchedly aweful, nothing worked for it.

-XBOX360, yea, its cheaper then the other console, but look at it's failure rate. almost 75% of all enitial 360s went RROD at LEAST once. That is not even including claims from this happening with newer models. I just had one come in last week that was just sold during christmas.

Yea, Now try your hardest to refute those FACTS Stage!



      

      

      

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S.T.A.G.E. on 05 January 2009
Pristine20 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
forevercloud3000 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
forevercloud3000 said:
@Dino

The only consumers that seem to be denying the capabilities of the PS3 is AMERICA. Europe is very soon to be taken by PS3 over 360, and Japan is a lost cause for 360 with PS3 out selling it 3/1.

America is the country to be hit by this recession the hardest(seeing they started it). With the complete lack of funds America cannot afford the PS3 right now. America also has a very strong harboring bias against the PS3 in favor of the 360. 360 is an American made product that is doing successful. Americans NEED American products to do good because they boost economy. They need it more now then ever. This is why I believe US publications to be so increasingly and deliberately misleading about PS3 information. Almost everything is tried to turn into a negative.

It is not too late. It has barely even begun...

 

 Um no. America has the highest rate of consumption of the PS3 out of all the countries its being sold to. The 360 just so happens to appeal to Americans more and the price is an extra treat. Don't put this on Americans when they've been open minded to the PS3 and Japan have been biased towards the 360. Microsoft has done everything under the sun for them and they are ungrateful. Outsiders will always blame America for all of the shit that goes wrong elsewhere.  

 

Firstly, I am American(USA cit) for your information. I am not some foreigner looking in from the outside, quite the opposite.

Second, how can you even refute this when the information is right on the front of VGchartz?

US-

PS3:7.43million

360:15.71milliion

Others(Europe)-

PS3:9.14million

360:10.66million

Japan-

PS3:2.70million

360:0.87million

 

So if we look at this information given to us by vg chartz

Japan:PS3 is winning by a 3 to 1 ratio.

Others(Europe):360 BARELY! They are difinitely going to lose others before US is taken. This is practically assured.

US: With one of the largest populations around, this is the country that the PS3 has an obvious defeat. Who cares whether if its the country has sold the most units in, it is still also the country that has PS3 behind sales in WW sales. It is the one country that resists PS3 penetration while all others have embraced it.

And as a member of the US, YES, there is a butt ton of bias here. I see it everyday.

I don't care if you are American. I have plenty of Japanese sympathizers (Usually anime fanatics) in my wide circle of friends. This doesn't strengthen your argument. First of all Europe is not a country, it's a continent with many countries. Because of this it strengthens the validity of the fact that America as a whole has given more to the cause. All the 360 needs is the west. If Microsoft had japan by even 1 million that would be one million more of a gap in the race between Microsoft and Sony. You know just as well as I do that Japan has more nationalistic pride than America when it comes to sales. In America we'll buy anything as long as it's quality and the right price. You can refute this all you want, but this is why Japanese products have dominated in America from Televisions to cars. Don't call this bias if you have no proof.

 

C'mon now. Europe is usually compared as a whole to America because of the population available to sell to. Europe has 400+ mil people but some of these people live in countries that aren't first world so won't help the sales chart much. America has 300 mil people all in a first world country.

Also, America has a single official language while each european country has a different language which tends to hinder localization and sales as well. For these reasons, I think forevercloud's comparisons are fair.

I also have to agree with him on the bias here in the US. For proof, go to your local gamestop and do some chatting.

I do agree with you however about Japanese having way more nationalistic pride than America. I do have to point out however that one  reason for that could be that Japan consists of only traditional Japanese people for the most part. They don't allow much immigration from what I've heard while the US is an immigrant country period. There are some things that bring all types of Americans together though like many sports.

 

Europe as a continent has far more people to sell to. The difference between America and Europe is that Americans spend more time on videogames and have a higher product consumption rate. That is the true reason. You're also wrong about Europes population. Europe as a whole has double the population the US has. The US is the entertainment/consumption capital of the world, period. There is no bias. The PS2 sold over 40 million consoles in America alone as opposed to Europe who sold just a little over that as a continent. The 360 has achieved a percentage increase in Japan, but thats not saying much when the 360 offers so much more than the original Xbox did game-wise.

First of all English is the main sales language in the world. Forevercloud's comparisons were not fair because he has no proof in the world that America is biased to Japanese product. I have gone to Gamestop and where I live nearly every worker promotes the PS3 more. However the 360 and Wii still sell better despite their efforts.

 

 



Pristine20 on 05 January 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
America is the obvious sourse of Sony's sales woes. I don't even see how this is refutable as the numbers dont like....

What is the difference between the PS3 and 360 in America?
-7.5million

What is the difference between the PS3 and 360 in Others?
-1million

How much total is the PS3 behind the 360?
-8.5million

Hmm now lets do some math, shall we? Which is the bigger chunk of the 8.5million?

America is the PS3's shortcoming, FACT! And as an American I can tell you it is NOT because its a bad product, NOT because it has no games. It is because America NEEDs 360 to succeed and PS3 works against that. THis is why you get 100+ articles every week all stating the PS3 is going to FAIL by the next coming week. This is why you get articles stating that BluRay is DEAD and DD is the Future?Right after hard numbers were released saying BD has a 350% increase? Right

You would thing Americans would know better though. I know our education rates are rediculously low compared to some others but where were they during Kindergarden? The first thing they teach you is "NEVER BUY AMERICAN!!!!" They lul you in with flashy prices then break your heart with shoddy products. Proof?
-GM/Ford, crap cars, everyone hates them, they are basically going out of business and our GOVERNMENT has to save them to help our economy.

-Windows VISTA, a load of hot garbage, no one liked this damn OS, IT was so wretchedly aweful, nothing worked for it.

-XBOX360, yea, its cheaper then the other console, but look at it's failure rate. almost 75% of all enitial 360s went RROD at LEAST once. That is not even including claims from this happening with newer models. I just had one come in last week that was just sold during christmas.

Yea, Now try your hardest to refute those FACTS Stage!

From reading his posts, S.T.A.G.E seems to harbor some inherent bias against the ps3 because sony added blu-ray and/or lost exclusives or something along those lines. I think you'd be hard pressed to convince him of anything pro-ps3.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

S.T.A.G.E. on 05 January 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
America is the obvious sourse of Sony's sales woes. I don't even see how this is refutable as the numbers dont like....

What is the difference between the PS3 and 360 in America?
-7.5million

What is the difference between the PS3 and 360 in Others?
-1million

How much total is the PS3 behind the 360?
-8.5million

Hmm now lets do some math, shall we? Which is the bigger chunk of the 8.5million?

America is the PS3's shortcoming, FACT! And as an American I can tell you it is NOT because its a bad product, NOT because it has no games. It is because America NEEDs 360 to succeed and PS3 works against that. THis is why you get 100+ articles every week all stating the PS3 is going to FAIL by the next coming week. This is why you get articles stating that BluRay is DEAD and DD is the Future?Right after hard numbers were released saying BD has a 350% increase? Right

You would thing Americans would know better though. I know our education rates are rediculously low compared to some others but where were they during Kindergarden? The first thing they teach you is "NEVER BUY AMERICAN!!!!" They lul you in with flashy prices then break your heart with shoddy products. Proof?
-GM/Ford, crap cars, everyone hates them, they are basically going out of business and our GOVERNMENT has to save them to help our economy.

-Windows VISTA, a load of hot garbage, no one liked this damn OS, IT was so wretchedly aweful, nothing worked for it.

-XBOX360, yea, its cheaper then the other console, but look at it's failure rate. almost 75% of all enitial 360s went RROD at LEAST once. That is not even including claims from this happening with newer models. I just had one come in last week that was just sold during christmas.

Yea, Now try your hardest to refute those FACTS Stage!

 

This is too easy to refute so I wont say much. Watch the PS3 price drop in America and watch the monthly sales double, just like they always do. As long as the product is quality, is marketed properly and is at the right price the sales will sky rocket. As much as you think America has a bias get over it. In Europe the sales are being carried by multiple countries, so there is no excuse for you to be putting this on Americas back. Japan has given their support solidly to Nintendo. If Sony can't be their top system, then they have another Japanese console to defend. 



forevercloud3000 on 05 January 2009

@Pristine20

I know, I dont even know why I try.

Oh yea and I forgot to add US based companies that are just evil...
Disney
Walmart
McDonalds(Damn that dollar menu)
Microsoft



      

      

      

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