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Forums - General - Ground troops in Gaza. Give me one good reason why this is needed?

Xen on 03 January 2009
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Frankenstein said:
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Frankenstein said:

Because Israel doesn't care who it kills.

Every Palestinian is a militant to them, and every buidling is militant headquarters, even if it is a fucking children's hospital.

I hope Hamas does some serious damage to the Israeli military, because what Israel is doing is nothing short of genocide.

 

When the ceasfire ended hamas/militants attacked israel with hundreds of rockets.  Israel is simply forcing hamas/militants out of governance/ into another ceasefire.  Hamas was the aggressor and is the one that desires genocide not israel.

Believe whatever you hear from the bias media.

The truth is Israel has turned Gaza into a prison, there is a huge wall around it and little to no aid is getting through. Israel routinely kills civilians and then passes it off as militants who were killed.

Hundreds of Palestinian civilians have been killed compared to what, 4 Israelis? That is a shocking number.

so are you saying that the media faked the aftermath/occurence of the rocket attacks, bribed the independant bloggers/youtubers, and bribed one of my classmates who was in the region with family over winter break?

The only part of my post that has anything to do with the media is that hamas/militants fired hundreds of rockets first.

Hamas runs on a mandate of getting rid of israel, and if I'm not mistaken the only two surrounding arab countries that recognize israels right to exist are egypt and jordan.  (who only recognized israels right to exist after israel beat them back with a big stick when attacked).  syria was working towards recognition with turkey as the mediator, but I haven't heard much about that.

 

I don't see that happening. Syria wants the Golan heights... and that's asking too much... at least in the eys of the Israeli population.

 



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mrstickball on 03 January 2009

Mediation between Israel and the Arab states usually involves "Israel, give us back and we won't terrorize you any more"



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akuma587 on 03 January 2009
mrstickball said:
Mediation between Israel and the Arab states usually involves "Israel, give us back and we won't terrorize you any more"

It is true that the Arab countries demands of Israel are usually pretty unreasonable, but personally I think we get way too much of a pro-Israel slant on the story most of the time.

 



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Strategyking92 on 03 January 2009

Well, how would you feel if you had rockets shot at you? I would be pretty pissed off. Hamas does it to themselves, on purpose. They know isreal won't just kill everyone in the gaza strip, so they hide behind the general populace. So, civilian casualties are to be expected. And thus, more support for hamas. It is a neverending circle, really.



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akuma587 on 03 January 2009
Strategyking92 said:
Well, how would you feel if you had rockets shot at you? I would be pretty pissed off. Hamas does it to themselves, on purpose. They know isreal won't just kill everyone in the gaza strip, so they hide behind the general populace. So, civilian casualties are to be expected. And thus, more support for hamas. It is a neverending circle, really.

It doesn't matter who was right when you are dead.  You kill someone for a good reason and they are dead.  You kill someone for a bad reason and they are still dead.

I'm not saying Israel isn't justified in what it is doing to some degree, but we are way to quick to side with Israel.

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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Jackson50 on 03 January 2009
Strategyking92 said:
Well, how would you feel if you had rockets shot at you? I would be pretty pissed off. Hamas does it to themselves, on purpose. They know isreal won't just kill everyone in the gaza strip, so they hide behind the general populace. So, civilian casualties are to be expected. And thus, more support for hamas. It is a neverending circle, really.

Conversely, how would you feel if a nation controlled your airspace, coastline, and land borders and effictively blocked you off from the rest of the world while concurrently limiting your fuel supplies? There are unfortunate actions taken by both sides. Hopefully, the leaders of Hamas and Israel will agree to cease this violence. That unfortunately seems highly unlikely.

 

 



mrstickball on 03 January 2009
Jackson50 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Well, how would you feel if you had rockets shot at you? I would be pretty pissed off. Hamas does it to themselves, on purpose. They know isreal won't just kill everyone in the gaza strip, so they hide behind the general populace. So, civilian casualties are to be expected. And thus, more support for hamas. It is a neverending circle, really.

Conversely, how would you feel if a nation controlled your airspace, coastline, and land borders and effictively blocked you off from the rest of the world while concurrently limiting your fuel supplies? There are unfortunate actions taken by both sides. Hopefully, the leaders of Hamas and Israel will agree to cease this violence. That unfortunately seems highly unlikely.

If you are referring to the Gaza strip in your argument, Jackson? You must realize that the Gaza Strip is not an independant nation, nor has been given legal status as such, or recognized by any major nation. Because of that, it's hard to say that what Israel is doing to it isn't illegal, or wrong - Given the circumstances of why it's been blocked off.

It's been blocked off because they were being supplied from nearby nations with bombs and guns to go kill more people, and also send suicide bombers across the border to blow themselves up in crowded shopping malls. The Gaza Strip has become a prison because it's citizens have (unfortunately) decided to allow terrorists and criminals control their 'nation' (I use quotations since it's not a nation).

Because of the atrocities comitted against the Israelis by the Palestenian suicide bombers, I must ask you: What better option did Israel have? If they did not wall it off, there would of been countless more bombers to walk into Israel, blowing up civilians - We're seeing the same kind of logic in the rocket strikes. Israel did the most 'humane' thing by walling it off, preventing people from walking in for the kill.

Also, for those deriding what's done: I'd love to see a viable option put on the table on how to solve an issue that involves one side willing to blow themselves up to achieve their goal of the removal of Israel. Last I checked, Europe and America fought a very long war that saw 100,000,000 people (many civilians) die just so certain ethnic groups, and nations wouldn't be systematically butchered. Hamas has the same goals - So why are you giving them a free pass to blow up people without any sort of action being taken to hamper their goals of genocide?

I'm not trying to say that Israel is doing everything perfectly, or is in the right 100% of the time. But war is a very bitter, and brutal thing. No war is right, or just, but sometimes, in the name of self-defense, certain horrible things are the result. The atrocities could EASILY be averted if Hamas would agree to stop the rocket attacks and agree to build a 2-state nation.



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blackstar on 03 January 2009

I'm too depressed to write anything
just pray guys, where ever u r from, just pray



Hephaestos on 03 January 2009

The real question is WHY START A THREAD ON THIS SUBJECT???

I mean it serves no purpose but have people piss at each other....

One side says "Israel evil killers"

Other says "Israel is attacked and can only respond this way"

The worst part is that every 6 months it is the same thing...



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Jackson50 on 03 January 2009
mrstickball said:If you are referring to the Gaza strip in your argument, Jackson? You must realize that the Gaza Strip is not an independant nation, nor has been given legal status as such, or recognized by any major nation. Because of that, it's hard to say that what Israel is doing to it isn't illegal, or wrong - Given the circumstances of why it's been blocked off.

It's been blocked off because they were being supplied from nearby nations with bombs and guns to go kill more people, and also send suicide bombers across the border to blow themselves up in crowded shopping malls. The Gaza Strip has become a prison because it's citizens have (unfortunately) decided to allow terrorists and criminals control their 'nation' (I use quotations since it's not a nation).

Because of the atrocities comitted against the Israelis by the Palestenian suicide bombers, I must ask you: What better option did Israel have? If they did not wall it off, there would of been countless more bombers to walk into Israel, blowing up civilians - We're seeing the same kind of logic in the rocket strikes. Israel did the most 'humane' thing by walling it off, preventing people from walking in for the kill.

Also, for those deriding what's done: I'd love to see a viable option put on the table on how to solve an issue that involves one side willing to blow themselves up to achieve their goal of the removal of Israel. Last I checked, Europe and America fought a very long war that saw 100,000,000 people (many civilians) die just so certain ethnic groups, and nations wouldn't be systematically butchered. Hamas has the same goals - So why are you giving them a free pass to blow up people without any sort of action being taken to hamper their goals of genocide?

I'm not trying to say that Israel is doing everything perfectly, or is in the right 100% of the time. But war is a very bitter, and brutal thing. No war is right, or just, but sometimes, in the name of self-defense, certain horrible things are the result. The atrocities could EASILY be averted if Hamas would agree to stop the rocket attacks and agree to build a 2-state nation.

I am well aware of the nebulous status of Gaza. Anyway, the status was irrelevant to my point. He said he would be pissed off because people were firing rockets at him. I can agree with that sentiment. I was attempting to convey the conflict from the Palestinian viewpoint. Would you not also be upset if a nation was effectively blockading you from the rest of the world and restricting your fuel and food supplies? You see, I was not referring to the Gaza barrier when I referred to the blockade. The barrier was an understandable measure that has been largely successful in eliminating the threat of suicide bombers leaving Gaza. This has also been witnessed in the West Bank. I was referring Israel's blockade that sealed the border and prohibited exports while concurrently limiting vital imports. In my opinion, Israel must bare the responsibility for ensuring that Gaza receives its supplies considering it controls Gaza's airspace, ports, and most of its land border. I would call the blockade a disproportionate response that has led to a minor or moderate humanitarian crisis in Gaza. It has also been a largely ineffective tactic.  

I do believe that Hamas shoulders a greater share of the blame for the situation. With that being said, Israel has employed some questionable tactics that cannot be glossed over and left unaddressed.