@ fazz

Improves bandwidth/speed, but not enough to reach near optimal efficiency (like the Cell can). The root of many effieciency problems lie far deeper.

You can upgrade your car with a better engine and new tires, but it will never get us on mars.

I have been thinking about this one as even PC:s have bandwidth problems with multicore processors. Multilayer cache would be quite nice solution. First layer with very high bandwidth and small memory. Next layer with larger mem and high bandwidth etc. Its more cost efficient than just improving bandwidth and actually its used already but with two layers(cache + main mem).

MikeB:

Haha... Stop spinning that crap. Youre just making fool out of yourself. :D

You're full of shit.

The FP10 mode does do HDR, albeit with some limitations.

But hey, if you want to make up imaginary technical terms, like MDR, then go for it.

@ Electro General

To quote Quaz51 from Beyond3D (often referred to as Beyond3D's local pixel counter of Halo 3 is 640p fame):

"for simulate HDR lighting on X360 games use generally FP10 (except Halo3 ) but FP10 isn't really HDR, it's rather MDR precision. "

Nobody at Beyond3D seemed to care about this comment though. Of course it seems more easily upset little kids post here.

MikeB said: @ Electro General To quote Quaz51 from Beyond3D (often referred to as Beyond3D's local pixel counter of Halo 3 is 640p fame): "for simulate HDR lighting on X360 games use generally FP10 (except Halo3 ) but FP10 isn't really HDR, it's rather MDR precision. " Nobody at Beyond3D seemed to care about this comment though. Of course it seems more easily upset little kids post here.

He used MDR as a way of explaining how FP10 lacks precision in the simplest way possible. In other words you're using something colloquial as a technical argument.

Show me a developer who has used the term MDR, or anywhere else this term is used outside of informal discussion on internet message boards.

Of course you should know that any form of rendering where the dynamic range is greater than that of the display is HDR. Then again you're lack of knowledge on certain things continues to surprise me.

Well you seem misinformed. They have struggled even more with the PS3 version. Barely making it run initially due to the memory.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=55476&page=2

Read OP.

@ selnor

The linked post I agree with:

"So what exactly is XDR ram? Here are some of the highlights:

* XDR makes PS3 super effiecient
* XDR aids in faster cache mapping, both direct and indirect
* XDR ram works by a pointer to pointer technology and needs very small buswidth for execution
* XDR is not just faster than GDDR3 but it is much more efficient
* XDR RAM works by breaking down data into several packets which prevents data loss and exceptions"

That's insightful. The Red Faction guys didn't talk about the possibility of using harddrive caching to their advantage, probably due to the Arcade 360 specifications lacking a harddrive they won't rely on this memory advantage.

My point was that they have said multiple times they have maxed out the PS3 as well with RFG. Also imo if a game like Kingdom Under Fire 2 or Killzone 2 had physics and destructible environments like RFG, they would definately not look as good as they do visually.

@ selnor

No way they stated they maxed out the PS3, running into some bottlenecks for which workarounds exist is not the same as maxing out the hardware. Memory usage is always a moving target, code optimisations, streaming, procedural synthesis (Cell rules at this) vs pre-baked asset memory footprints, etc all effect memory usage.

Look up how much memory the Neo Geo had compared to PCs of its time and then compare the games. Or before that compare 80s and early nineties games for the older entry model Amiga 500 vs games for top PCs with tons more memory to rely on of the time.